FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

Post by heavyset_go » Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 2:45 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #264

throw_away_dgs wrote: post #230

Some FBI agents came to my house once and told me that my home Internet had been used to visit Islamic Extremist websites. They brought a local police office with them and a 'threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace. They asked me if my family was Muslim and wanted to know if we had been radicalized. We are not religious (at all). We do not attend church, synagogue or mosque. We are lower middle class white A…

"threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace" "I feared that I may lose my job." I understand that police/FBI have to conduct investigation. What dont understand is involvement of the employer , it's extremely disturbing - you have not been convincted, you have not been charged, you are not even a suspect or accused of anything at this point - how is your private life the business of your employer? Why is your p…

Post by Eelongate » Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 2:50 AM UTC

admax88qqq wrote: post #291

Eelongate wrote: post #270

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I think what he experienced is another manifestation of the same phenomena as zero-tolerance policies in schools; institutions ask their enforcers to suspend common sense and strictly enforce the letter of the law/guideline/etc, even in situations where any reasonable person would decide it made no sense. They do this because such common sense and gut feelings is how bias and prejudice might creep into their oh-so-pe…

> the teacher's perception of the incident might have bias and prejudice. I mean that's not entirely wrong either. Bullying was still a thing before zero tolerance policies. Not to say zero tolerance policies are the right solution, but personal bias _is_ a big problem when it comes to enforcement.

Post by the_optimist » Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 3:11 AM UTC

nikcub wrote: post #295

freeflight wrote: post #278

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Just like the NSA spying on Americans is unlawful [0] the FBI terrorizing political movements is unlawful [1] or the CIA operating in the US is unlawful [2] Yet, I'm pretty sure all these are still happening, to a certain degree, to this day. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nsa-spying-idUSKBN25T... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

Larger point would be if it's obtained unlawfully it can't be used in a court of law against you. Recent cases: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkppqk/court-throws-out-mess... https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252503524/Berlin-court-f...

Post by pphysch » Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

adamfisk wrote: post #289

pphysch wrote: post #247

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This comment is an incredibly naive attempt at a smear. > Without them, we’d basically be left with Wikipedia as the only popular entity on the internet outside of corporate control. Wikipedia is absolutely not "outside of corporate control". It is trivially astroturfed to advance special interests. > All of these projects are more properly grouped with government funding in other spheres, such as the BBC or PBS in m…

Um, ok. All of the above projects use not only reproducible builds for many platforms, but they’re all open source, and they all have public security audits. Those three pillars are about as good as it gets. Is there something you would add? I’m not claiming PBS and the BBC are perfect entities, but they do offer an alternative source of information that runs against the grain of corporate media. You would prefer…wha…

Post by numpad0 » Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 3:18 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #264

throw_away_dgs wrote: post #230

Some FBI agents came to my house once and told me that my home Internet had been used to visit Islamic Extremist websites. They brought a local police office with them and a 'threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace. They asked me if my family was Muslim and wanted to know if we had been radicalized. We are not religious (at all). We do not attend church, synagogue or mosque. We are lower middle class white A…

"threat assessment' coordinator from my workplace" "I feared that I may lose my job." I understand that police/FBI have to conduct investigation. What dont understand is involvement of the employer , it's extremely disturbing - you have not been convincted, you have not been charged, you are not even a suspect or accused of anything at this point - how is your private life the business of your employer? Why is your p…