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FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Post by lupire »

t0mas88 wrote: post #4

So if you have something to hide, don't use iCloud backup. And Whatsapp will give them the target's full contactbook (was to be expected), but also everyone that has the target in their contact list. That last one is quite far reaching.

If you have something to hide, don't give a copy to any third-party.

even a second-party is a risk.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Post by georgyo »

It says Telegram has no message content. Isn't telegram not E2EE by default, instead required explicit steps to make a conversation encrypted?

Either way looks like Signal wins by a lot. The size of it spot is so small, it seems almost squeezed in. But only because they have nothing to share.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Post by sschueller »

t0mas88 wrote: post #4

So if you have something to hide, don't use iCloud backup. And Whatsapp will give them the target's full contactbook (was to be expected), but also everyone that has the target in their contact list. That last one is quite far reaching.

Can you turn that off if you have icloud or do you need to not use icloud all together?

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Post by georgyo »

t0mas88 wrote: post #4

So if you have something to hide, don't use iCloud backup. And Whatsapp will give them the target's full contactbook (was to be expected), but also everyone that has the target in their contact list. That last one is quite far reaching.

You and the person you are communicating with must both not use iCloud backup. And since apple pushes the backup features pretty heavily, you can be reasonable sure that the person you are communicating is using backups. IE, you cannot use iMessage.

Re: FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app content and metadata [pdf]

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Post by to11mtm »

georgyo wrote: post #6

It says Telegram has no message content. Isn't telegram not E2EE by default, instead required explicit steps to make a conversation encrypted? Either way looks like Signal wins by a lot. The size of it spot is so small, it seems almost squeezed in. But only because they have nothing to share.

I don't know whether Telegram is E2EE by default (probably not.) When you do a call on telegram you are given a series of emoji and they are supposed to match what the person on the other side has, and that's supposed to indicate E2EE for that call.
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