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Update on Omicron

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Re: Update on Omicron

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> Perhaps not when it's economic, technological, wartime, etc. Sure. But when it comes to the healthcare of everyone (not just the individual), they absolutely should. The problem is that politicians seem to think they know more about healthcare than the experts do. In pandemic times medical community matters more but nobody should be the only one making decisions about the life of others. People on the front-line la…

This global pandemic is highly inconvenient to me, so I demand to be able to take actions which are likely to worsen and prolong it.

Of course, because there's no local context and you have all the information required to infer that. If you're in Europe I understand but in my local context "staying at home" as I was doing would have a near zero impact on improving this global pandemic while being a huge cost for my well-being and health.

I live in a poor country with cases slowly approaching zero, a high vaccination rate and in the midst of the hot/humid season. Also staying at home is a luxury that the large majority of the population can't afford so my decision has a linear effect because nobody on my neighborhood will be "staying at home" or using masks anyways. Right now poverty and hunger are more of an issue than Covid.

Oh yeah let's ignore all the economical, social and health issues that are side effect of the "staying at home" and insist on social shaming and in a policy that is unsustainable. Let's adopt a dogmatic approach to solve novel issues.

If you want to shorten the global pandemic please lobby your politicians into not holding but subsidizing vaccines to poor countries.

I'm a supporter of building longer term effects that contribute into making society more robust against Covid and other kinds of airborne diseases. Like proper indoor ventilation in public spaces, load balancing, better respirators for daily use. Improved vaccine manufacturing capability and shorter lead times for vaccine development. I understand that they are not mutually exclusively in theory but there's so much we can lobby for at the same time and I prefer not to waste it.

Re: Update on Omicron

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I advocate keeping all of these measures forever. Before you flame me - I don't think they are to be used constantly, or all at the same time. They are all valuable tools to reducing the pain, suffering, and lost productivity of respiratory illnesses. I'd like to see universal masking in schools during flu season, for example. Limited group of people, limited time, but would happen every year. Maybe there's a trigger…

Im really sad to see that you are willing to sacrifice children (our future) in order to avoid a "bad" flu season.

Who’s sacrificing children? Is this more Trumpy projection?

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That's plausible, but it's not the whole picture. It may only partially explain some of the problem. We have, in the wealthy west, millions of vaccine-hesistant and vaccine-denialist people. I'm not just talking about poor or uneducated people, either. I personally know wealthy, educated, analytical people who have bought into the fearmongering and propaganda. I was shocked to find how deeply skeptical they were. I w…

Is the propaganda really that good? Or did they want to be skeptical to begin with?

Well millions of people believed the Trump Russia election hacking conspiracy theory despite having no basis in reality and having never seen any evidence for it.

Maybe after that was exposed people became a bit more skeptical of such narratives. It follows the same recipe as many social engineering tricks you get taught about in basic corporate security education but it really goes back a long way to low tech confidence tricks and scams -- a huge problem, a sense of urgency, and you mustn't ask questions otherwise you're a bad person.

Not saying covid or vaccines are a conspiracy theory, just that it follows and easily recognizable pattern that has been abused in the past. And people recognize patterns even subconsciously.

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Im really sad to see that you are willing to sacrifice children (our future) in order to avoid a "bad" flu season.

Who’s sacrificing children? Is this more Trumpy projection?

Making children wear masks and vaccinating them against the virus that mostly doesn't affect them seems like a sacrifice on the altar of "hours lost". I'm not from the USA, and I am not following USA's political scene, so I can't answer your second question.

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Even if it really was like that, there are still good reasons for not allowing that - if there is still a chance it can kill people, there would still be considerable bodycount if it really is more transmissible and many people get infected at once (overloaded hospitals). Mild symphtoms also still don't say anything about possible long term damage that might only become aparent later. And lastly, infecting so many ne…

> And lastly, infecting so many new hosts opens the possibility of creating a more deadly variants, just by pure chance, due to so much virus replication going on in the hosts. Isn't this true of the flu as well?

I guess ? I wonder whats the magnitude of flu infections vs covid in absolute numbers.

Also I guess not all viruses mutate in the same way?

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> And lastly, infecting so many new hosts opens the possibility of creating a more deadly variants, just by pure chance, due to so much virus replication going on in the hosts. Isn't this true of the flu as well?

I guess ? I wonder whats the magnitude of flu infections vs covid in absolute numbers. Also I guess not all viruses mutate in the same way?

The flu can easily mutate via reassortment because it's genome is segmented and there is a huge reservoir or human and animal strains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassortment

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They skipped the Greek letter "Xi"; no prizes for guessing why.

Because the WHO has a long-standing policy not to name disease after names.

So why didn't they skip "Mu", which as others have pointed out is a far more common name than Xi?

Everyone knows the real reason they skipped Xi, you're not fooling anybody.

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Because the WHO has a long-standing policy not to name disease after names.

So why didn't they skip "Mu", which as others have pointed out is a far more common name than Xi? Everyone knows the real reason they skipped Xi, you're not fooling anybody.

Occam's razor, no one mentioned that Mu was a common name at the time.

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> 1. If COVID sticks around, ... we'll be getting into that 'vulnerable' category. When that happens, how will you feel about large groups of 'kids' ... protesting getting vaccinated against a disease that may be very mild for them but fatal for you? 1. I, personally, would not care about it in the slightest. If the current "response", dictating that I should fixate on this one thing, and, more importantly, strictly…

> I'm looking to "cut my losses" soon, so to speak I don't know what to say to this, other than reconsider what other options there are that may allow for further opportunities to feel privileged to be alive; big things, small things, simple things, complex things. > It may also mean that "we" failed to give these "kids" proper upbringing. I, certainly, did fail Sounds like you're being too hard on yourself. There ar…

Thank you very much for saying this. It was refreshing and surprising to see. Upvoted.

I agree with lot, especially with this: "things are more nuanced than that". I also understand the need for somewhat restrictive response to health crisis. Unfortunately, the nuance appears to be lost on many "in the power", who seem to be pushing the most restrictive approach just for the sake of being restrictive. They completely ignore the fact that many employed measures concern some people on a much, much different level than, say, some new taxes or road rules would. The division of society that they create now goes much deeper than disagreement on almost any other political issue, and they either incompetent enough to not give it a thought, or just plain evil to be doing it deliberately. I don't see any other explanation. I understand that in politics moderate position is almost impossible to hold, but no one is even pretending.

They all seem to be in a race to impose a mountain of most conspicious, symbolic and hostile measures on top of a handful that make sense, and then pretend that people are rejecting the good part. No, people are just unable and unwilling to fish for an ounce of gold in the barrel of fertilizer that is pushed upon us. No one is willing to acknowledge and discuss the nuance, hence people are forced to assume a radical position and find themselves in a company which they, in the normal times, would avoid.

In short, I don't expect for it all to end well and end soon. The regimes based on premise that 100% of participants are marching in lockstep, even involuntary so, always end in blood, in my opinion. And, as I said, the issues with worldwide "response" to "pandemic" go so very deep, at primal level, so the explosion of violence is inevitable. At the moment I don't see what can compel someone to hang around to witness the destruction.

Re: Update on Omicron

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Who’s sacrificing children? Is this more Trumpy projection?

Making children wear masks and vaccinating them against the virus that mostly doesn't affect them seems like a sacrifice on the altar of "hours lost". I'm not from the USA, and I am not following USA's political scene, so I can't answer your second question.

You need to update your knowledge on what "sacrifice" means, and how children are actually affected by the virus.
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