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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

Ah, you're right. I am mistaken for AWS Wavelength.

Hate to be that guy, but...

AWS Wavelength is Ec2 instances running on-prem on existing telco locations.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#192

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

>This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

I think a lot of people are missing this point. This will not allow someone to become their own carrier. It allows someone to install their own "cell towers" and have devices connect to them without having to use a 3rd party carrier.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#193

>Run a smart manufacturing facility >Enable business-critical applications I'm not sure what manufacturing facility are they talking about but at the places I know you will get ridiculed for even entertaining the idea of controlling infrastructure over anything but good old copper or fiber. And they are right.

There are a lot of places that use RFID, Bluetooth and WiFi for equipment tracking, tote tracking, part tracking etc. Each has its pros and cons so I imagine there is space for 5g as well.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Would be awesome to see them make a proposal to authenticate to the Helium network, I believe they intend to also support private 5g?

anyway Amazon could handle the logistics to rollout hardware much better than existing manufacturers on the Helium network.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#195

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Short-term, things like "Tesla Free Network" could exist for their self-driving cars. Or, Uber offering free fast Internet to their drivers or a truly private device.

So like WhisperNet, except 5G, and anyone can make their own?

Re: AWS Private 5G

#196

Not sure how big the market will be for something like this; apart from, well, drug cartels in Mexico . 5G uses multiple bands, and the most useful, and highest throughput one, doesn't have a great range (high band, 24 GHz and up). So, perhaps you use 5G tech/devices but not use that, and instead focus on low band (600–900 MHz, few kilometers of range)? Would a mining company use this to oversee a large property? Wou…

I guess the downside of lower frequency is more potential for interference and contention for bandwidth. Having smaller cells could help solve that.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#197

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Interesting, didn't Soracom end up going to KDDI in 2017? Is KDDI even getting rid of them / are they even for sale now or was this an old deal? $187M for an exit is not that large. Were they offering a price in that range to AWS? It feels a bit like some of the AWS IoT offerings are throw stuff at wall style.

No, the balk happened then, in 2017 AFAIK.

Disclosure: I work for AWS, but I don't work directly on AWS Private 5G.

I mean, it sounds like they / their investors were shopping and the KDDI offer of what was reported [1] to be $180 million won? Who's to say if AWS participated in that or not (I, speaking only for myself, have no knowledge on this). I don't understand at all why you think that this is anything unusual or nefarious, and it seems like the founders got a good exit regardless?

[1] https://thebridge.jp/en/2017/08/kddi-to-acquire-soracom

Re: AWS Private 5G

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How does this compare to Helium 5G? https://www.helium.com/5G

The biggest difference seems to be that aside from dropping some buzzwords like blockchain that page gives no description for what Helium 5G actually is or what the intended use cases for it are.

Kind of interesting how it stops being a buzzword when you understand why the word is being used, more interesting to watch other people be allergic to some words.

That landing page is sparse but Helium and other wireless networks are using blockchains as a rollout strategy.

Basically people invest in radio hardware because they think they can earn more in the blockchain token, don't worry as the radios are low power and most networks especially Helium's doesn't allow people to hoard radios, you earn less if there are other radios in the coverage zone. Other radios are the nodes which report your adherence to the network rules, the blockchain automatically pays out. Thats the supply side. The demand is people and organizations buying the token to buy send data over this network. With Helium I believe thats a one way conversion: Helium tokens -> data. But the receiving radio gets paid in new Helium from the blockchain's issuance, if it received any data then thats a bonus added to its payout allowance (but its not 1:1 to the amount of Helium tokens burned). So its kind of fun to think that the availability of this wireless network will have some service buying this digital commodity as an overhead cost and extending service to people that don't know Helium is one of the network routes behind the scenes. There are some IOT device that use the Helium network, I think some of the rideshare scooters use it already for over a year.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#199

How is a private 5G network different from wifi from a consumer/business perspective? Does it have a superior range? (Honest question)

Digital Trends has a good article about this. You can read it here: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/5g-vs-wi-fi/

I had the same question as the parent poster, so thanks for the link.

Still, I'm confused. The article says that both WiFi 6 and 5G have similar theoretical max speeds. The main difference in the article seems to be that 5G operates on licensed spectrum. But if I understand correctly, this AWS service uses an unlicensed spectrum, so I'm still not sure why would I choose this over WiFi.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#200

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

> This could be extremely useful for security. Maybe even the death of VPNs. If that's true, I wonder if this affects Tailscale's business and how.

It's not new. You can get private address space that's routed into your network, but if you trust telco network security, you probably don't have anything worth protecting (or run a VPN over the top and only use the private APN for persistent IP addressing).

For example, AT&T's private APN service has been around since the 3G days: https://www.business.att.com/products/private-mobile-connect...

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