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Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

That's what pliers are for.

Besides the fact that your average user will not be able to open these devices. Removing connectivity will probably irreversibly brick them.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

Amazon is known for doing this to early startups. They "partner" with a small team, learn what they do, and then copy it which screws the original team. They have teams of lawyers so suing them does no good. EDIT: I assumed this was a partnership. I have no clue if they partnered here. Just speaking broadly after watching a couple of my founder friends get screwed by Amazon.

Have they "partnered" with Soracom?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

Tons of companies are in this space, e.g. https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-business-launches... So it seems odd to call out AWS that they should have partnered with soracom or they aren't being ethical.

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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear what this means in larger scale. All Amazon manufactured physical IoT and hardware could have sidechannel in the future to escape network isolation. They already have this "feature" which expands your home network for neighbor Amazon devices if they need Internet access. And default setting is "ON", not off. How many consumer is aware of that? https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b/?node=21328123011

Why would you buy a consumer IoT product and not connect it to the internet? If you’re the kind of person who fears that, you’re probably not the person who uses something like Alexa and smart home stuff.

If the device has not easily removable battery, it starts to be impossible to tell when it collects the data and shares it. Many devices are useful in the local network only, but still they want all-time internet access without real need. Using direct 5G links make it also harder to filter traffic. I don't know, I just don't like the idea that all information must be collected by any means.

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I wonder which smart TV provider will be the first to use this instead of home wifi where people can disable or black hole connectivity.

They don't need this for that. Instead they are using rings and echo devices that allow devices to connect and send small data out. You can't black hole them without black holing the ring/echos (making them useless). You can disable this feature but it's opt-out, and it may just connect to your neighbor's instead. I dont' remember the exact feature name though.

I believe you're referring to Amazon Sidewalk. It's more for their own devices like cameras and not for TV ad tracking (at least for now.)

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is known for doing this to early startups. They "partner" with a small team, learn what they do, and then copy it which screws the original team. They have teams of lawyers so suing them does no good. EDIT: I assumed this was a partnership. I have no clue if they partnered here. Just speaking broadly after watching a couple of my founder friends get screwed by Amazon.

Have they "partnered" with Soracom?

https://partners.amazonaws.com/fr/partners/001E000001In3e0IA....

Maybe it doesn't count as partner, maybe it does.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

Tons of companies are in this space, e.g. https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-business-launches... So it seems odd to call out AWS that they should have partnered with soracom or they aren't being ethical.

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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Surely the problem is access to spectrum, or is the idea to rely on unused spectrum bands reserved for local experimental use?

In the US, the FCC has specifically allocated 3.5ghz for open use[0]; paying for a license just gives you priority access to the spectrum. Use of the band requires checking in with a server to lease spectrum at a granularity of about 4 minutes. This is akin to if your Wi-Fi router could ask the FCC to give it a channel known to not have any users within a certain radius of itself. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ci…

If I want to deploy a custom 5G base station on this band 38, what hardware do I need? Are there free software solutions?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Sounds like they are selling Wifi++ - what confuses me is how/why Amazon is involved, apart from selling the hardware. Is there a subscription piece?

The implication of this product concerns me, although maybe it's just a communication issue. Amazon is selling this as an Amazon product, but wifi isn't an Amazon product, nor is 5G. They are retailing the gear to put up a 5G network - so why call it a "product" and roll it out like this?

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