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Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

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Not related, but browsing through this, I suddenly realized how to use termux-emacs with touchscreen.

    (xterm-mouse-mode 1)
No special keyboard layout with arrow keys anymore. No pecking character-per-character those tiny keys.

I would consider accepting Nobel-prize for this discovery.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

#32

Not related, but browsing through this, I suddenly realized how to use termux-emacs with touchscreen. (xterm-mouse-mode 1) No special keyboard layout with arrow keys anymore. No pecking character-per-character those tiny keys. I would consider accepting Nobel-prize for this discovery.

Swipe-scroll:

    (global-set-key (kbd "") 'scroll-down-line)
    (global-set-key (kbd "") 'scroll-up-line)

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

#33
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

trying out common web tropes with emacs is the only way to keep it relevant and on the front page of hackernews

I use emacs daily, and I really like it. A major part of the problem is that Emacs development is completely captured by the, shall we say, esoteric personality of its original author. Emacs is a political project first and foremost—this much is clear. The focus is not on making the best possible text editor/programmable environment. In fact several proposed improvements have died on the drafting board because they w…

> because he makes odious and repugnant remarks about all manner of subjects, he harasses women and holds disturbing views about bestiality and pedophilia.

No. I'm sorry, but no. I've read his so-called "odious and repugnant remarks" when I last heard this accusation. I read his microblog(? something like that), with tens of thousands of said remarks, starting I think in 2003.

There is nothing odious, much less repugnant. Nothing. It's not even that he worded any of these badly. He is precise, and his reasoning is sound. There were statements that I personally wouldn't endorse, but he is well within his rights to say them. Again: there is NOTHING substantially wrong in his writing. The problem is: it doesn't matter in the age of cancel culture... One tweet seems to have an almost divine ability to appear as a fact, even though it clearly isn't.

Yes, Stallman is politically on the very far left. He's a hippie. Like, he's old enough to actually be a hippie. His whole philosophy rests on the principle of not harming others. Unfortunately for him, he adds a few other controversial elements, like saying that as long as they don't hurt anyone, people are generally free to do whatever. This also means giving an "OK" for any kind of love as long as nobody is harmed, all parties agree to it, all parties are able to disagree, and so on. But well, the various conditions wouldn't fit into a tweet, so they get helpfully omitted to make space for the Real Problem(tm) - that he's a pedophile! You know what he said in reality, in this particular case? Just that the age of consent could be lower, given how human body develops. He later learned more about how children grow up, so he retracted his earlier statement, and changed it in accordance with the scientific knowledge he had learned.

Now, for people who consider the above "odious and repugnant", it was very different. First, how could he, in 2006 btw, publish a text saying that teenagers, actually, do have sex anyway, so maybe you should fix the law to reflect reality. How dare he! "He wants to rape children!". I don't even. Anyway, second, how can he say that an age difference between spouses doesn't matter? As long as nobody is harmed, etc, etc. It's obvious he prepares ground for creation of a harem of young lolis! Then, third, how dare he retract his statement! Saying that in the first place made him trash, so he should act like one and silently take a beating. And fourth, his changed statement STILL is immoral and against all that's good and holy! He just admitted that only older teenagers should be able to have sex legally - which happens to be quite a popular opinion among sexologists. Oh no! Now he wants harem of high-school cheerleaders!

Harassing women. That's actually a nice one. You see, Stallman used to randomly ask females if they want to have sex with him. It was ok to do in the 70s, and it was still more or less ok in the 80s, as long as you minded the context. He never reacted badly to a refusal. Look, he used to ask tens of women a year (I think, as a minimum), so if he minded the refusals, his heart would crumble! But, moving on, asking women out to have consensual sex with him became wrong at some point. He should have stopped, right? Unfortunately, he's very much anti-censorship. So, when this-or-that conference said he can't do it there, he asked women from the other side of a street. That wasn't the brightest idea, so he started giving out cards with the same question. Who, and why, would say that's 'harassment'? You can't even start to make him a "predator who uses his position to threaten women to have sex with him" because, let's face it, how many women even know about his position? He's got no money, an old laptop, and a parrot (I think). What kind of power did he have over the women? If there wasn't anything like that, then him and his partner in conversation are equal, so if one perceives something as harassment, they can act as they wish.

The last thing was his "defence of a rapist". I don't remember the names right now, but it was a big case some time ago. Anyway, he said that it's unfair to label as a rapist a person who asked and was granted consent, just because someone else, without the knowledge of the guy in question, coaxes/threatens the woman to secure that consent. He wrote that the girl in this case APPEARED entirely willing, so it shouldn't be called rape. Of course, the one who actually threatened the girl is a criminal here. But no, the news sites I read said that "Stallman says a victim of rape was willing!!!"

This is so absurd. The only reason he gets hit with shit like this is because he refuses to play the game. No Twitter, no Facebook, just mailing lists and simple static HTML pages. He's different. Yes, he has an ideological axe to grind, obviously - that's the whole reason he is different. But no, neither his ideology, nor his writings, nor his behavior - none of it is particularly controversial, and contrary to many of people accusing him, he admits his mistakes and corrects his words if he's convinced to do so. Convinced, you know, in a civilized dialogue, not by tweeting how he's a terrible person. I mean, if you want to talk to him, you need to have to get off of twitter - he won't read (or even know that it exists) your opinion stated there.

EDIT, forgot:

> This man, who seemingly hasn't the self-awareness to realize his behavior directly hurts the credibility of his cause,

Oh, but he's very much aware and he's doing it on purpose. People who's favorite pastime is condemning strangers on the Internet to social death, are not the ones he wants to convince (though he never refuses a chat) and have around. Reading what's been happening around Chris Avelone this year, I can't say I disagree with his stance on this much.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

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post #11
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This made me remember something I haven't thought about in a long time: info (i.e. TexInfo) is great, but back in the 90s, there was a push in the GNU world to move from man pages to info entirely. Annoyingly, during that time lots of GNU man pages would tell you to look at its info pages instead. Me, and apparently others, were not thrilled. While info is technically superior, the "one page" format of a man page, at…

This is hilarious in modern context. So much documentation is effectively "what stack overflow has" that worrying about "man versus info" feels like a distraction.

But somebody has to write those Stackoverflow answers. Perhaps for those who do the distinction between man pages and info is important. Or do you think that the source of Stackoverflow answers is just more Stackoverflow answers? Now that would be hilarious.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

#35
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

trying out common web tropes with emacs is the only way to keep it relevant and on the front page of hackernews

I use emacs daily, and I really like it. A major part of the problem is that Emacs development is completely captured by the, shall we say, esoteric personality of its original author. Emacs is a political project first and foremost—this much is clear. The focus is not on making the best possible text editor/programmable environment. In fact several proposed improvements have died on the drafting board because they w…

Separate comment on the technical side:

Emacs has tons of new features in every release, and one of them, introduced some time back, was the ability to use binaries compiled natively as modules (not sure if it's the default already, it was behind `configure --with-modules` for some time). That was one of the things Stallman really didn't want to lose, ie. the inability to use proprietary code in Emacs. The only thing he managed to get is that the module has to define a constant saying that this_module_is_GPL (or similar). While it still expresses a political opinion, now it's more of "you're saying you're a good guy, we believe you" instead of "No binary blobs in Emacs! NEVERRRR!!"

Also, the new features in the last couple of releases were not user-facing, but very exciting. Starting from `lexical-binding:`, generators, threading, new modules for hashes, keyword and assoc lists, fast JSON support, native compilation, dynamic modules - Elisp is getting modernized, and fast. While the per-pixel scroll is not likely to be a priority, the team still works on things that would make implementing that scroll, in the PGTK branch. It's a continuation of the work to date: first moving rendering to Cairo, then text shaping to harfbuzz, then all the widgets and GUI handling to GTK.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

#36
post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This made me remember something I haven't thought about in a long time: info (i.e. TexInfo) is great, but back in the 90s, there was a push in the GNU world to move from man pages to info entirely. Annoyingly, during that time lots of GNU man pages would tell you to look at its info pages instead. Me, and apparently others, were not thrilled. While info is technically superior, the "one page" format of a man page, at…

> info might be better for dedicated reading of documentation (and I like using it in emacs for that), but perceived as less so when you quickly, say, want to look up a flag for ls. You can search and navigate with info very efficiently. In your case searching for 'flags' should quickly show the relevant info.

Yeah, I also mentioned how I wasn't sure how well founded that argument is.

On the other hand, especially for man pages that are not huge, you can get a good grasp and overview by just scrolling linearly through the man page. At least for me, who tends to think very visually, I then have the impression I got a better feeling for the structure and covered content of the document than if it was hierarchical. (Again, this breaks down once the document gets too large.)

Overall, that annoyed "oh gosh, I just wanted a quick scroll through the man page" feeling when encountering a man page that was just a stub for the info document probably comes from somewhere after all.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

#38

I personally have a much easier time reading and digesting documentation in this format than the normal format that is presented from inside of Emacs, so this is really nice for me. Thanks for working on this!

I think that's a sign of incomplete Emacs proficiency though because self documentation is extremely important in Emacs world.

You can't even rely on web versions of package manuals because the most updated and relevant is always the one in your editor.

Re: Emacs Docs The modern documentation website Emacs deserves

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post #5
post #3

Any Emacs user who hasn't tried the Info documentation mode, and learned a few keys for navigating in it, might want to try. It's ancient (Emacs had hypertext way before the Web existed), but, for some purposes, it can be much more efficient than anything in a Web browser.

This made me remember something I haven't thought about in a long time: info (i.e. TexInfo) is great, but back in the 90s, there was a push in the GNU world to move from man pages to info entirely. Annoyingly, during that time lots of GNU man pages would tell you to look at its info pages instead. Me, and apparently others, were not thrilled. While info is technically superior, the "one page" format of a man page, at…

I wouldn't even mind GNU documentation moving to TexInfo, but I have repeatedly found man pages telling me to invoke "info " only to then find there was no texinfo documentation for that command. It's not a huge problem, but every now and then, it's annoying.
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