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Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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It depends where you want to work. You need to go where the companies you'd like to work for look for staff. If you're looking for a role somewhere big and well known then Google, Indeed, etc are a good bet. If you want something more start-up oriented then sites like workatastartup are good. If you want something a bit more niche and unusual then using your LinkedIn network works well. The last few times I've looked…

> The last few times I've looked for a role I've just googled for companies I'd like to work at and browsed their careers pages.

This is my current practice. If I get a bite, it's one I'm excited for since it's a company I already know I'm interested in joining.

On the flipside, I do this rarely and it seems like exploring jobs to the extent of seeing what the job market thinks I'm qualified for is a volume game. Based on what's been posted here thus far, sounds like balancing between one of the known recruiting sites and still cherry-picking careers pages is the way to go.

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Unfortunately, LinkedIn is the only game in town. It's pretty worthless though. In 2019 I received 6,000+ contacts from headhunters, maybe 25 were relevant and 3 were actually worth responding to. LinkedIn's bread and butter seems to be spammers in India with addresses from New Jersey. You will probably not find a good job on LinkedIn. Find niche-specific slack job boards and network with people. LinkedIn is mostly a…

> LinkedIn's bread and butter seems to be spammers in India with addresses from New Jersey.

I've had to deal with those. The answer is to ruthlessly block/reject anyone you have doubts about. Thankfully most of these put up a very poor show and just a quick look at the quality of their website will tell you whether they're telling the truth. Frankly, you don't even need to dig that far - even just the quality/suitability of the roles they pitch will be a good enough indicator.

At least in the UK however there are decent local recruitment agencies that are worth having on your side. They don't proactively reach out (at least not as much as the aforementioned spammers) so you may need to seek them out yourself but if you get in touch and explain them your situation they will be helpful either now or in the future.

Whether this applies to the US is a different story however. When searching for jobs in my niche I often see tons of US-based positions posted by the aforementioned spammers, so it may very well be that US-focused recruitment has been completely overtaken by them.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Unfortunately, LinkedIn is the only game in town. It's pretty worthless though. In 2019 I received 6,000+ contacts from headhunters, maybe 25 were relevant and 3 were actually worth responding to. LinkedIn's bread and butter seems to be spammers in India with addresses from New Jersey. You will probably not find a good job on LinkedIn. Find niche-specific slack job boards and network with people. LinkedIn is mostly a…

LinkedIn sucks until it doesn't. That is, when someone other than a recruiter -- say someone who is connected to you through your broader social network, reaches out to you. That's when it's useful.

The "news feed" -- insipid at best. The farms of recruiters -- not super useful, I already have a job at a FAANG and I'm not looking to switch to a different flavour.

But the social network, which has been there for 15 years and kept me in touch with all sorts of professional contacts? Gold.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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I got my current job via Hired - basically just type up my profile and wait for someone to reach out. It was a pretty smooth and quick process but that was about a year ago - I heard rumours they ran out of money and turned into a Linkedin clone since so YMMV (would be interested in peoples’ recent experiences in case I need to look again). I do get quite a few messages from recruiters on Linkedin but I get a feeling…

Same. I actually had like 20 recruiters on LinkedIn I talked to, and a few of those got to late stage interviews, but Hired has the advantage that those reaching out to me already sort of agreed to the compensation I posted, instead of me having to ask and recruiters being elusive on LinkedIn.

Also almost everyone on LinkedIn had ~20% lower salary ranges they were offering than what I asking for on Hired, which was just a little higher than what Hired recommended after I took their short skills survey, so I think LinkedIn just has a bunch of recruiters stuck with offering low salaries for their clients and trying their damnedest for you not to notice.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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A few HN people reached out to me about finding a job in the last few months. Here's what I normally tell them:

- Yes LinkedIn is useful, but not in the way that you think. The job application function in particular seems to be a black hole. I've never heard of anyone even hearing back from any employer, and I did try it a few times myself as well. What it does do is it tells you who to get in touch with to try to get a job. Certain recruiters have the current vacancies, and you can see who they are. Talk to them directly, either by chat or by phone, and get your USPs in there immediately.

- Indeed, monster, etc I don't know much about, most of the financial jobs I look at aren't going to be there. I did use efinancial, but there the strategy is the same. Don't submit your CV, find the person who is listing the role, get a hold of them.

- Generally independent recruiters seem to be the best source of leads. They get paid for placements, so they're always calling with suggestions. It's frustrating if you aren't the right profile, because they want an immediate sellable candidate, but if you are the right person, they can open doors that normally are just total blanks.

- LinkedIn is where you find all those recruiters. Whatever your specialty is, there's a recruiter for you. Go and find them, talk to them, see what they have. Don't forget to cater for the buzzword bingo, the recs will search for common tech terms.

- I also cultivate longer relationships with recruiters. A coffee now and again is not such a bad time sink, and you hear a lot about who is doing what through the recruitment people. Sometimes they phone me and ask actual technical questions, like "how does this trade work", and they feed it back to their network.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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LinkedIn yes, Indeed no. Almost all recruiters (internal and external) are active on LinkedIn. It definitely doesn't hurt to have a good profile... people will reach out to you . Recruiters get a lot of scorn, but I've had good experiences with them as long as you understand their incentives. They usually get some percentage of your starting salary, so let's say they make 15k if your offer is 100k (making up these nu…

I would say they mostly suck. Very slimy, unwilling to divulge basic information and will ghost you in a heartbeat.

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Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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In my opinion, LinkedIn's most valuable assets are the ability to get discovered by recruiters/hiring managers and as a way to conduct outreach. I would not recommend posting resumes on Indeed, as that may cheapen your brand a bit.

Let the recruiters come to you. Optimize your LinkedIn profile so you get incoming traffic. Make sure keywords that a recruiter would search for are on the profile, in the body and skills section. As an example, a recruiter is less likely to search "software engineer" (too many hits), but rather might search "Python" to get a narrower result, or even something more narrow like "Numpy" to reduce the noise. Also be sure you have a fair amount of connections, which expands your ability to be found. There are additional settings.

Working with a couple recruiters can be useful if they are good at what they do and aren't just looking for a quick buck. You should be able to tell the difference (are they asking what YOU want, or are they just pitching every job to you and hoping you agree to be presented?).

Also use LinkedIn for outreach. Did you see a job posted somewhere that interests you? Write a short message to a recruiter at the company on Linkedin (instead of applying) to find out how to get some dialogue going.

Source: Former tech recruiter that now writes resumes and gives job search advice with a focus on tech.

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