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Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by tdsamardzhiev »

mkl wrote: post #154
phendrenad2 wrote: post #133

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Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go…

> What might work is a browser funded by massive numbers of small user donations. That's the Firefox model. That's not the Firefox model at all. Firefox development done by the Mozilla Corporation is primarily funded by search engine partnerships. Donations to the Mozilla Foundation (which owns the corporation) fund other initiatives instead, and are a much smaller amount. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a9…

It's one particular search engine partnership cough cough.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by mkl »

tdsamardzhiev wrote: post #301
mkl wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What might work is a browser funded by massive numbers of small user donations. That's the Firefox model. That's not the Firefox model at all. Firefox development done by the Mozilla Corporation is primarily funded by search engine partnerships. Donations to the Mozilla Foundation (which owns the corporation) fund other initiatives instead, and are a much smaller amount. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a9…

It's one particular search engine partnership cough cough .

Primarily, but there are others. Yandex and Baidu in 2020 and presumably still: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/15/21370020/mozilla-google-f.... Others in the past, not sure if any are still active: https://www.cnet.com/news/firefox-and-bing-together-at-last/. They're currently trialling Bing too: https://www.ghacks.net/2021/09/17/firefox-experiment-is-test...

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by WalterBright »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #300
WalterBright wrote: post #203

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> It surpassed operating system complexity Gates understood that early on (that the browser would become the platform), hence giving Explorer away for free.

I think what you meant to say was that Marc Andreeson understood it would become the platform, and Gates came to realize that he was on to something, and used Microsoft's monopoly to steal the implementation of the idea.

I didn't mean to say that. I don't know what Marc understood, but I do know that Gates made it clear what he thought.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by cyanydeez »

paledot wrote: post #295
mbesto wrote: post #181

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You can thank the capital side of the equation for this. Example: https://andrewchen.com/this-is-what-free-ad-supported-uber-r... They used to hide it, but because so much money is being made there's no point anymore.

It boggles my mind that this is being presented by the author as if it were a legitimately good idea and not another step on our collective descent into a dystopian hellscape.

or a normal progression to microtransactions to actually pay for content of value rather than let the msrket of doom scrolling and "engagement" dictate the hellscape that led to trump style media.

remember, 20 years ago they wanted microtransactions to enable content production. this coule of course be done in a open way, but the idea that this is worse than the current landscape of abhorrent conspiracy fueled hate med8a parade is silly.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by cyanydeez »

hvgk wrote: post #147
phendrenad2 wrote: post #133

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Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go…

Back to gopher. Use native compiled apps and APIs for everything else. I’m serious. Probably shave a few gigawatts off the grid killing off electron apps.

or produce content people actually find valuable and ensue the decades long desire tomactually pay for valuable information, rather than swim in bullshit and pretend quantity will just "bubble up"

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by buzzert »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #195
behnamoh wrote: post #123

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I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

You apple users can help me remember this. I was helping out someone with a macbook maybe 15 years ago, and noticed in the printer configuration apple trying to sell me printer cartridges. What was that model? Did apple make cartridges at some point? Just recently I was given an iPad during the pandemic, and noticed the native "books" app constantly pushing a "reading now" view advertising ebooks, etc. I switch it to…

Your tone seems to imply that you're an Android user. How is Google/Android not money-grubbing?
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