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Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by malermeister »

starik36 wrote: post #584
malermeister wrote: post #572

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Did they attack the seat of government with the explicit goal of abducting, raping and killing elected officials, to interfere with a democratic process and establish autocratic rule? No? There's your answer then.

Huh. https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-rand-paul-attacked-angry-mob-l...

Chanting "Say her name" is freedom of speech.

Breaking and entering into the seat of government [1], building gallows in preparation for hangings [2] and calling for the murder of the Vice President [3] is not.

Please don't try to disingenuously draw a false equivalency here. Your whataboutism is supporting attempted murder and contributing to the destabilization of the country.

[1] https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/11/24/nation/newly-released...

[2] https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-1...

[3] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-video-shows-capi...

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by freediver »

sfink wrote: post #450
KennyBlanken wrote: post #375

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How about this for a funding model: tie executive compensation to revenue growth. Mozilla has had five fold increases in CEO compensation over the last fifteen years, as Firefox market share has gone down six fold . Firefox had ~30% market share in the mid 2000's, and now it has less than five percent market share. Safari has twice the market share Firefox does, by some metrics. Mozilla has literally paid its CEOs fa…

> How about this for a funding model: tie executive compensation to revenue growth. I'm not sure this would go quite the way you think. The quick numbers I could find are $104 million in revenue for 2009 [1], $828 million in revenue for 2019 [2]. Your market share percentages sound about right, though (and is more relevant to the success of the mission.) > Being a browser company and seeing declining revenue during a…

> You can't crush your competitors with a $0 product and a compatibility moat that it is your mission to minimize, especially when your main competitor is many times your size.

By definition, Firefox is not a $0 product - it is a $500M product, the product name is called primary search engine placement and it has exactly one customer, that also happens to be its main competitor and archrival.

The very fact that user != customer is where most of Firefox problems stem from (IMO). Turning users into customers is a correct (and only) way for Firefox to become independent and achieve a position from which it can really deliver on its mission.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by recursive »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #306
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #146

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Believe me, I understand the appeal. Yesterday we were discussing something dropping support for some platforms from an open source project and the issue is... we have no way of determining how many installs are on such platforms. Telemetry would fix this, but it's not our right to collect data from other people's machines. So our best bet would be to detect the condition we expect to cause problems, notify them in a…

[ ] shitty option A [ ] shitty option B Telemetry showed that users overwhelmingly approve of shitty option B!

Whether or not any of your options are good is a completely separate concern from whether or not you're using telemetry. If option B is the least bad option available, it's still better than A. Of course, you could also include a good option, and then telemetry would show a preference for that one.

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Post by fault1 »

tomxor wrote: post #265
NoGravitas wrote: post #239

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Apple's guaranteed Safari market also helps keep WebKit viable for other browsers like GNOME Web and Nyxt, so that's something I really appreciate.

The Apple of today has a very conflicted relationship with webkit, the anticompetitive reasons they want to keep their platform "webkit only", simultaneously encourages them to support and neglect webkit development. i.e on the one hand, webkit must be reliable and secure and compatible "enough" to provide a decent basic browsing experience. But should not improve so much as to make developing applications competitiv…

there are also other companies working on webkit, e.g, sony.

Apple's investment in safari/webkit goes up and down. They've actually made a lot of investments since 2019 or so. Probably less so for the previous 6 years before that. But again, webkit was very innovative in the early 2010s

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Post by [deleted] »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #110

Maybe I am a minority, but I and some others I know of have turned their backs on Firefox because Mozilla got woke and spoke out in favor of censorship and promoting fake news. Since they are no longer proponents of freedom on the internet, any reason to still give them the time of the day has been gone away. In fact I now celebrate their shrinking market share.

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Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by starik36 »

malermeister wrote: post #587
starik36 wrote: post #586

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At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...

Yes, a few of the protestors were killed by the state. It's sad, but I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.

No. Not by the state. As a result of the riots. These people wouldn't have been dead had it not been for the riots. Read the article and don't skip things that don't agree with you.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by [deleted] »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #204
ahartmetz wrote: post #139

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Partisan politics is one hell of a drug

I don't know why so many companies feel compelled to needlessly take political stances. I think they can only lose from that. Although I have heard Nike earned billions with the Kaepernick campaigns, so maybe sometimes it does pay off. But for Mozilla? Do they get government funding?

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Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by tata71 »

dmitriid wrote: post #346
K0nserv wrote: post #191

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I don't disagree that is their publicly stated reason for the limitation. Them having the ulterior motive of stifling PWAs on iOS and competition for mobile Safari is a common theory. Whether they do have ulterior motives or not, the effect is that innovation is stifled.

>Them having the ulterior motive of stifling PWAs >the effect is that innovation is stifled. There's no such thing as PWA. There are several dozen of standards, and any combination of them is called PWAs by various people. And quite a few of those combinations work perfectly fine on Apple devices. What's worse is that too many of those standards are extremely badly designed (service workers) or are pure Chrome-only "…

Supporting manifests to "install" a webapp to my home screen isn't something difficult for Apple/Safari team.

They just don't get their cut from it, so, not a priority.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by [deleted] »

ahartmetz wrote: post #221
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #204

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I don't know why so many companies feel compelled to needlessly take political stances. I think they can only lose from that. Although I have heard Nike earned billions with the Kaepernick campaigns, so maybe sometimes it does pay off. But for Mozilla? Do they get government funding?

But what does it matter to you? You can ignore it. It's a good browser and it doesn't insert political messages into websites.

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Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Post by tata71 »

zepto wrote: post #209
K0nserv wrote: post #191

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I don't disagree that is their publicly stated reason for the limitation. Them having the ulterior motive of stifling PWAs on iOS and competition for mobile Safari is a common theory. Whether they do have ulterior motives or not, the effect is that innovation is stifled.

PWA’s aren’t ‘innovation’. Apps can do far more than PWAs.

Really?

Why did Spotify and Pax Labs make PWAs again?

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