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You're not arguing in bad faith. You're being gaslit by someone who has already devolved to name calling in this thread.
Cherry picking cases to prove that an entire institution should somehow be disbanded in spite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary is arguing in bad faith. That you disagree because you and the other commenter here agree on the basic premise that you both believe FDA is bad and should be disbanded doesn't change that.
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Yes, stopping such research is important. But it has nothing to do with COVID-19.
Am I to believe that China was working on weaponizing a virus without also concurrently researching a cure/vaccine? Virus provenance is important. It’s not a blame game. If it escapes from a lab they owe the world every piece of research they have on it but we’ll never get there if everyone says “hey hey let’s not play the blame game here”
Note that that doesn't rule out that it wasn't the case, but it is to the best of my knowledge not something that we have even a shred of direct evidence for.
Stop with the march towards Global Dictatorship under the "auspices" of non-transparent, prone to corruption* International Agencies (UN, WHO, Council on Foreign Relations, etc.).
Stop with the march towards genocidal neomarxism. Remember the tens of millions who died in the Holodomor, Under Stalin, Under Mao, Under Kim Jong Un, and others.
* = such as corruption at FIFA & International Olympic Committee.
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Anyone who lived through the AIDS epidemic can tell you that having a regulatory body is not automatically better than none at all. FDA bureaucracy and inaction has killed more Americans than WW2. Dissolving the FDA, or at least the gatekeeping branches of it, is a third option that ought to be seriously considered.
> Dissolving the FDA, or at least the gatekeeping branches of it, is a third option that ought to be seriously considered. Yes, so that the supplements industry can run amok on an unsuspecting public. No really, that's just what we need, especially now.
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We still don't have the whole picture precisely because the CCP have covered-up and blocked any real investigation into the origins at every step.
There is nothing that will every satisfy the people that push the 'it was a lab leak' angle that it wasn't just like there is nothing that will ever convince people that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job that it wasn't or that pedophile democrats are running the world. For one you are trying to prove a negative, for another, you are asking others to prove a negative, when in fact it should be the opposite: there sh…
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NZ blocked flights to China in early Feb after Wuhan was already locked down. TW was informed about unknown pneumonia directly from PRC doctors around time when WHO was notified in Dec 2019. Both responded to completely salient signals provided by PRC. >1) they can and 2) they do For breaking PRC laws, not epidemic prevention. At end of day, countries wanted to repatriate and PRC obliged. It's asinine to suggest PRC…
> TW was informed about unknown pneumonia directly from PRC doctors around time when WHO was notified in Dec 2019. I'm gonna stop here because I'm pretty convinced now you're just a CCP sympathizer. TW was NOT told directly by PRC doctors. > His colleagues in the media monitoring unit had detected social media posts about a pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan. The original posts in China were quickly removed, but scr…
Every claim you've posted is revisitionist history that doesn't comport with reality, so of course you resort to name calling when corrected.
>His colleagues in the media monitoring unit
i.e. how most PRC doctors found about about unknown pneumonia... they asked for colleagues in Wuhan about information. Same with TW and US CDC who has people to people connections on the ground in Wuhan. That's how info gathering in developing / emerging crisis works. Accessing information from sources on ground before people knew exactly what was going on.
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> TW was informed about unknown pneumonia directly from PRC doctors around time when WHO was notified in Dec 2019. I'm gonna stop here because I'm pretty convinced now you're just a CCP sympathizer. TW was NOT told directly by PRC doctors. > His colleagues in the media monitoring unit had detected social media posts about a pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan. The original posts in China were quickly removed, but scr…
>Stop spreading lies and false information about COVID and trying to cover up for the WHO and CCP. Every claim you've posted is revisitionist history that doesn't comport with reality, so of course you resort to name calling when corrected. >His colleagues in the media monitoring unit i.e. how most PRC doctors found about about unknown pneumonia... they asked for colleagues in Wuhan about information. Same with TW an…
Stop spreading false information on HN.
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i can't answer it because it made me ask more questions: - what is their mission? - how are they funded? - how are they staffed? - what is their scope? - what happens if you don't comply? - how do they measure success? - what meaningful actions have they taken during the pandemic and in the past that has made the world a better place than if they didn't exist at all? In general I understand the case for the "one worl…
I can at least provide theoretical clarity on "what happens if you don't comply" for less powerful nations: The WHO has been working with the IMF throughout the pandemic, distributing loans to countries that follow the WHO's Covid policies. So, any nation state in economic trouble must implement the policies to receive loans/funding. This was famously made public by the Belarusian president in September: > In this ne…
I believe it is entirely reasonable to condition pandemic funds on taking actions against the pandemic.
Also I believe there are many reasons to deny foreign funds to the Belarus of today.
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I can at least provide theoretical clarity on "what happens if you don't comply" for less powerful nations: The WHO has been working with the IMF throughout the pandemic, distributing loans to countries that follow the WHO's Covid policies. So, any nation state in economic trouble must implement the policies to receive loans/funding. This was famously made public by the Belarusian president in September: > In this ne…
Wow, we reached the point where Lukashenkos word is used as an argument. I never imagined this on HN. I believe it is entirely reasonable to condition pandemic funds on taking actions against the pandemic. Also I believe there are many reasons to deny foreign funds to the Belarus of today.
You think it's okay for NGOs to create a catastrophic economic situation causing many nation's markets to become dependent on relief funding, then having said NGOs put agenda focused conditions on the relief they provide? You don't see this as a common strategy of extortion?
I feel like you'd rationalize business "security" provided by the mafia as something good if saying otherwise conflicted with your worldview in some way. Next you'll buy into a Ponzi scheme and start extolling the virtues of pyramidal finance structures.
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NZ blocked flights to China in early Feb after Wuhan was already locked down. TW was informed about unknown pneumonia directly from PRC doctors around time when WHO was notified in Dec 2019. Both responded to completely salient signals provided by PRC. >1) they can and 2) they do For breaking PRC laws, not epidemic prevention. At end of day, countries wanted to repatriate and PRC obliged. It's asinine to suggest PRC…
> TW was informed about unknown pneumonia directly from PRC doctors around time when WHO was notified in Dec 2019. I'm gonna stop here because I'm pretty convinced now you're just a CCP sympathizer. TW was NOT told directly by PRC doctors. > His colleagues in the media monitoring unit had detected social media posts about a pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan. The original posts in China were quickly removed, but scr…