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Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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"doing active scans for any unsecured wifi network in range"

This doesn’t seem like a practical thing for manufacturers to implement. How common are such networks in actuality? Literally the only time I ever encountered unsecured Wi-Fi networks in the past several years were guest networks, and all of those were gated by a capture portal that would have blocked any sort of attempt at telemetry or ad serving.

Pretty common.

https://finder.wifi.xfinity.com/

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Bluetooth on a phone can be disabled. I only turn on bluetooth when it is needed. Wired headsets and wired keyboards will work with some of today's phones.

That doesn't sound like a great user experience. "I have this TV that I want to use as a monitor, but I have to turn of a feature on my unrelated device which I want to use with a headset, keyboard, etc". I would rather buy a dumb TV that didn't require me to lose phone features.

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Modern Sony Bravia TV’s ask whether you want a “Basic TV” or a “Google TV” when you first set them up.

It's Google TV either way. The setting is for whether you want to neuter any sort of functionality involving the network or not. That doesn't mean the TV isn't still reporting your viewing habits back to them; it's still running Android, still has a network connection. Hilariously, they allow you to go back to "smart" Google TV with a click of a button, but going to 'basic' mode requires a full reset. Oh, and they're…

Chromecast has to be negotiated through the Google cloud service, since Google designed this from day one to lock Chromecast down. Chromecast is largely an anti-feature given how Google designed it to be lock-in.

What's stupid is Android TV means I can run any app I want, and they can't stop me, so Chromecast ends up being a kind of idiotic solution that never quite finished its search of a problem.

As in, I can use Steam Link or Moonlight to become a thin client of a real computer, I can Plex my entire (legal) library, or use any cloud service natively from the device.

All the things I ever really wanted to Chromecast felt like it was a third class citizen compared to the Android TV experience; and I just mean the purely playback part of it, not the client UI part (which Chromecast doesn't, and isn't meant to, have).

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

What’s stopping the TV from taking OTA updates through data sub-channels on TV channels? Satellite receivers have had this type of capability for a few decades.

If you're still relying on DRM functionality, a DRMed source could suddenly demand you upgrade the firmware and refuse to work until you do.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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How old is your Vizio? All modern Vizio tvs in the past 6 years have a remote with a Menu button. And they ask for accepting Privacy Policy before you can connect to wifi. You can very easily avoid connecting a Vizio to a network and just use it as a dumb tv.

I just got a new Vizio, I only connected it long enough for it download the latest firmware, and then neutered it by removing the Ethernet cable. You can bypass the acceptance of the privacy policy entirely and it just disables all the smart features (can't use any of the apps or cast to it with Airplay or Google Cast), but will still download firmware updates and install them. From the network capture I did on it, i…

Has Vizios software gotten any better? I had a 2019 model and the software (had mine offline/neutered too) was too shitty to even use it as a dumb TV. For example it would randomly reboot while we were watching something via the HDMI input or it almost always took multiple restarts to properly recognize the Vizio sound bar...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Be aware that Roku is one of the worst offenders in selling your watching habits.

What are some better alternatives?

Plex, if you have a spare machine to run it on. Free if the household share a username/password.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Summing up the main options and linking to some comments that mentioned them: * extra-large gaming monitors, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29383077 * Sceptre brand TVs (they can be purchased from Walmart) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29383298 * Projectors maybe, but 4k projectors are very expensive. (On the other hand, 1080p projectors look great in my opinion.) * Most big brands such as LG, Samsung, e…

You can DIY a 4k Projector if you don't want to pay nearly as much: https://youtu.be/YfvTjQ9MCwY

Only works in pitch black though.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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What value would additional choices serve, if it’s just a pane of glass of a fixed size and resolution?

There can still be differences in color gamut, refresh rates, input lag, viewing angle, black uniformity, local dimming, image retention, supported resolutions, SDR/HDR brightness to name a few.

Thanks, that makes sense.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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post #156

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That's interesting, but it doesn't look like you have many choices at the 55" size unless you're willing to pay double what I paid 4 years ago for my Sony.

That's exactly the reason why non smart TVs don't sell. The smart one's are subsidized by their ads and spyware; so you'll always pay a massive premium to get a dumb one.

That may be a small part but a much bigger factor is price differentiation and market segmentation. A 55" monitor is pretty extreme - any gamer who wants that is going to be willing to pay for it. A 55" TV is perfectly normal though and bought by normal people.

Same reason nVidia's AI cards are so expensive even though they're very similar to their graphics cards. Or "audiophile" speaker cables are expensive even though they're identical to cheap ones.

Product prices are partly a function of the price people are willing to pay (demand).

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