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Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by KeyBoardG »

tombert wrote: post #55

Honest question, as someone who actually used Winamp back in ~2004: why would you want to use it now? I have some nostalgia for it, sure, but what exactly does it actually offer you that something like VLC doesn't? It seems like it plays my music and videos competently enough, and I don't know anyone who actually uses Shoutcast anymore. This isn't a passive aggressive dig or anything, I would actually like to know.

I would use Winamp, but at some point in the last decade I switched to Foobar2000 because its simple and has great FLAC support. At the time getting Winamp to do FLAC involved some weird add on.

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by lelandfe »

xmprt wrote: post #245
lelandfe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're both right! https://web.archive.org/web/20131219003849/http://www.winamp... > What happened to Winamp 4? You're not imagining things. Yes, we skipped a version number for the following reasons: a) Winamp 5 combines the best aspects of Winamp 2 and Winamp 3 into one player. Hence Winamp 2 + Winamp 3 = Winamp 5! b) Who the hell wants to see a Winamp 4 Skin :P c) We think that a Fibonacci sequence for versioning…

I still don't understand. What's wrong with Winamp 4 skins? Edit: Maybe I have to sound it out. Is it because 4 skin sounds like foreskin?

You got it :)

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

VortexDream wrote: post #240
lproven wrote: post #127

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Foodbar 2000 FTW. https://www.foobar2000.org/ Tiny, fast, simple, does the job. There's an Android version too, which is my go-to audio player, because of its simplicity. Both FOSS.

Yeah, but does it really whip the llama's ass?

In case you don't know, WinAmp borrowed that meme from the late, schizophrenic musician Wesley Willis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2lepog/til_t...

"McDonalds is a place to rock, It is a restaurant where they buy food to eat, It is a good place to listen to the music, People flock here to get down to the rock music." - Rock 'N Roll McDonalds

"Batman beat the hell out of me and knocked me to the floor, I got back up and knocked him to the floor, He was being such a jack off" - I Whupped Batman's Ass

"This beast killed as many as 100,000 people / It's wings can flap like a bird / It can break a glass / It can also stab you in the ass" - The Chicken Cow

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by thedoctor_o »

WorldMaker wrote: post #247
jmknoll wrote: post #181

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At the bottom of their site, they have about 30 open full time positions, including Sales, Legal, and Finance. Seems strange for a 25 year old media player. Did they just close a big funding round or something?

I don't recall the full tumultuous journey, but highlights I recall were Nullsoft (original Winamp creators) towards the end were bought by AOL who did them dirty and then AOL forgot about Winamp as a property entirely for something like two decades through the Time Warner merger then divorce then the Yahoo! merger into "Oath" under Verizon. At some point in spinning Oath back out of Verizon and putting Oath's IP on…

The pure Nullsoft Winamp was from 1997 to mid-1999 with AOL having Winamp under it's ownership until 2013 (technically until mid-January 2014) when it was sold to Radionomy (who then were bought by Vivendi but then bought themselves back under the guise of Audiovalley).

So that time with AOL covers v2.5 when it became free after starting out as shareware through to v5.666 along with the maligned WinAmp3 period. So that's whole a lot of not doing much but still producing releases for almost 15yrs. Winamp (& SHOUTcast) were sold before Verizon did it's thing with AOL.

-dro

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by unixhero »

ConceptJunkie wrote: post #72
nebula8804 wrote: post #64

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I guess we are replicating this today with vinyl.

Some people are. Probably not folks who actually came up in the age of vinyl. The only plans I ever have for using my turntable again is to digitize some obscure stuff that I'll probably never find on more modern media.

There is some sense of mindfulness in the physicality of listening to a vinyl record.

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by ranger_danger »

haunter wrote: post #37
MrGilbert wrote: post #2

I'm afraid that, at one point in time, a DMCA takedown might backfire at the archive. I mean, it has been taken down on Github, but it's of course available at archive.org - it would hurt the internet as a whole if the archive needs to close it's doors. Hopefully that will never happen.

I never get how Archive.org can get away with... everything? Like every single console game is there. Nintendo is very famous to take down ROM sites yet their full library is on Archive.org. And that's Nintendo only, all the PS1, PS2, PS3 games and the whole Xbox/360 catalog is there as well. It's crazy In some aspect Archive.org is better than some private torrent trackers

Because they're a library with a DMCA exception (which may be expiring soon), they are allowed to host that content. That doesn't mean you are allowed to download it though. Normal copyright and DMCA law still applies to you as a consumer of this content. Also Jason Scott has stated that they prefer to take a stance of "just upload whatever it is first, then if someone complains we will take it down".

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by monkeycantype »

tomxor wrote: post #246
0des wrote: post #23

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Winamp 2 was generally preferred. If I recall correctly, it skipped version 4 not because v2 + v3 = v5 but because nobody would want to download a Winamp 4 skin. Not kidding.

> not because v2 + v3 = v5 but because nobody would want to download a Winamp 4 skin I wish the people who named Gimp image editor were this thoughtful! Searching for image masking info has caught me out multiple times :/

on multiple occasions when i've needed to know command line syntax I've googled 'man find'

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by standardly »

tomc1985 wrote: post #194
tombert wrote: post #55

Honest question, as someone who actually used Winamp back in ~2004: why would you want to use it now? I have some nostalgia for it, sure, but what exactly does it actually offer you that something like VLC doesn't? It seems like it plays my music and videos competently enough, and I don't know anyone who actually uses Shoutcast anymore. This isn't a passive aggressive dig or anything, I would actually like to know.

foobar2000's library features kind of suck IMO. Clementine/Strawberry have issues with large libraries or just skip tracks Spotify is cloud, automatically eliminated there VLC Player gets used for porn and videos Winamp quietly Just Works(tm), it scans all my songs, plays them, and is great for tag grooming and setting ReplayGain levels What else is there?

Really though, what else is there? Besides what is left of WinAmp.. Foobar is too basic for me (not good for managing larger libraries). iTunes used to work well for me, but I don't use Apple.

Is there any other alternative I can try?

Re: Winamp source code leak

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Post by thedoctor_o »

RF_Savage wrote: post #168
gmueckl wrote: post #15

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Winamp at this point in time is just a trademark that ended up at a Belgian company. And I think they want to use it to launch a music streaming service. The rest of Nullsoft went down with AOL. I wonder which party would even have the legal rights to move against such a source code leak.

I wonder what happened to NSIS, the NullSoft InstallSystem? Used it myself as a teen to have a professional looking installer for my software releases. I still occasionally see software with NSIS installers and Nullsoft copyright. So I wonder what entity is behind it now days.

NSIS has nothing to do with the lot that own Winamp & it was a clearly defined "not part of the sale" as it has been OSS from early on around it's v1.0 iirc which was a long long time before Winamp was eventually sold.

I still think they should be using their own forum with an archive of the NSIS sub-forum to ensure that there's a clear distinction between them & the lot that now own Winamp (as there's no benefit for them to be keeping that forum running other than a trickle of ad revenue) but that's down to those that lead NSIS to decide upon.

-dro

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