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The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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The workers at the foxconn factories have a lower suicide rate than the average for all people in the provinces in which the factories are located. A few dozen suicides is a normal number out of a population of 350,000 human beings, which is how many foxconn's iPhone City holds.

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Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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During the 90's EA Spouse period and during the dotcom boom I saw people being crushed, burnt to a crisp and discarded like empty candy wrappers. No, it was not as extreme then, it took another decade and outsourcing to a foreign country to get as bad as we see here at Foxconn. Don't be fooled into thinking such overwork does not occur in your own country. Cast your eyes over at the web developers being abused right now...

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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"Dying for an iPhone" is a good read on the state of Foxconn and Apple's labor practices, which seem to generally continue to be "abusive at best." It does lead to not really wanting to touch any of modern consumer electronics, though.

I know that’s the popular western view. But at least in this case, it doesn’t seem to be related to Foxconn. It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn (given he left and then came back, and was actively involved in the newspaper). The problem was, he wasn’t enjoying his time in society. I think the high suicide rate is related to the plight of migrant workers (datong) in China. It is a reflection of just…

"enjoyed his time at Foxconn" is not remotely an accurate summary of the fine article - perhaps it's more like the opposite

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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post #4

"Dying for an iPhone" is a good read on the state of Foxconn and Apple's labor practices, which seem to generally continue to be "abusive at best." It does lead to not really wanting to touch any of modern consumer electronics, though.

I know that’s the popular western view. But at least in this case, it doesn’t seem to be related to Foxconn. It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn (given he left and then came back, and was actively involved in the newspaper). The problem was, he wasn’t enjoying his time in society. I think the high suicide rate is related to the plight of migrant workers (datong) in China. It is a reflection of just…

> It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn

That is opposite his words in the article. He did not appear to enjoy his time at Foxconn.

  A space of ten square meters
  Cramped and damp, no sunlight all year
  Here I eat, sleep, shit, and think
  Cough, get headaches, grow old, get sick but still fail to die
  Under the dull yellow light again I stare blankly, chuckling like an idiot
  I pace back and forth, singing softly, reading, writing poems
  Every time I open the window or the wicker gate
  I seem like a dead man
  Slowly pushing open the lid of a coffin.

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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post #7

The workers at the foxconn factories have a lower suicide rate than the average for all people in the provinces in which the factories are located. A few dozen suicides is a normal number out of a population of 350,000 human beings, which is how many foxconn's iPhone City holds.

Agree, Foxconn is an over simplification that has somehow captured the mindshare… I guess because of Apple.

Foxconn doesn’t force people to work there, and they can resign at anytime.

The problem is, life outside of your houkou in China is soul crushingly hard. But if you are born in rural China your life in your houkou will be soul crushingly boring/mundane.

It’s not a good choice.

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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post #6

We're all a part of this. I've been asking myself questions, at an increasing rate lately, like "where does all this material come from?", "who makes all this stuff?", "what's the effect of making this?', etc., and any hint of an answer leads to nowhere good quite quickly. That is especially true when you consider the human and other animal elements. Just looking into the trash makes you realize the insane amount of…

If you'd like another depressing read, Derrick Jensen's "Bright Green Lies" is a good one. It does the very uncomfortable math on "Ok, so, you want to power civilization with wind/solar/nuclear/etc? What does that look like in mountain tops removed, valleys filled with tailings, habitats blown to pieces, etc?" The answers aren't good.

A number of the environmental groups have subtly shifted over the past decade or two from "How can we protect the environment?" to "How can we maintain industrial civilization levels of energy consumption and all our conveniences, but carbon neutral?" They are not the same question or issue, even though they're often confused.

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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Past related threads:

The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18433548 - Nov 2018 (271 comments)

The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (1990-2014) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8561326 - Nov 2014 (83 comments)

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that’s the popular western view. But at least in this case, it doesn’t seem to be related to Foxconn. It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn (given he left and then came back, and was actively involved in the newspaper). The problem was, he wasn’t enjoying his time in society. I think the high suicide rate is related to the plight of migrant workers (datong) in China. It is a reflection of just…

> It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn That is opposite his words in the article. He did not appear to enjoy his time at Foxconn. A space of ten square meters Cramped and damp, no sunlight all year Here I eat, sleep, shit, and think Cough, get headaches, grow old, get sick but still fail to die Under the dull yellow light again I stare blankly, chuckling like an idiot I pace back and forth, singing…

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Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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The world spins in pain and has for a billion years.

A billion Chinese people have been brought out of dire poverty by the manufacturing jobs that the export business has created. (https://ourworldindata.org/app/uploads/2017/02/poverty-decli...).

Life for half the world's people sucks - but companies like Apple make it better, not worse. I say this as someone who doesn't use any Apple products and doesn't particularly like the company.

Re: The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that’s the popular western view. But at least in this case, it doesn’t seem to be related to Foxconn. It looks as though Xu even enjoyed his time at Foxconn (given he left and then came back, and was actively involved in the newspaper). The problem was, he wasn’t enjoying his time in society. I think the high suicide rate is related to the plight of migrant workers (datong) in China. It is a reflection of just…

"enjoyed his time at Foxconn" is not remotely an accurate summary of the fine article - perhaps it's more like the opposite

Why did he leave, and then come back? If it was so horrible? His poems were published in the Foxconn newspaper… Do you think they would publish it if they thought it was criticism of their own organisation?
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