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Re: I resigned from Twitter

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Twitter and other social media are probably the biggest problem of our time. By providing simple rules of information flow: small amount of content, retweet, followers) and rewards (likes), they've created the most efficient engines for finding and spreading novelty at the expense of everything else. There are no incentives to improve accuracy, increase thoughtfulness, paint nuance. Fact checking gets lost in the win…

Is the is very different to what newspapers were when they first appeared? Of course they never achieved the same technological pace. Also, nowadays, when you think of newspapers, you think mostly of quality publications, writing considered, contextualised pieces. But even nowadays, there are plenty of crappy tabloids chasing ad revenue (clicks?), with no regard for information and only about the shock factor. And in…

> Also, nowadays, when you think of newspapers, you think mostly of quality publications, writing considered, contextualised pieces.

This is a very unique perspective. It's one I don't share, and neither do the majority of Americans[1]. The economic and cultural forces shaping journalism make it so that it's vanishingly rare to find pieces that meet (my personal bar for) "considered, contextualized pieces". It's been a decade since the world of blogs/independent publishing has been an infinitely better source for that type of writing than traditional media has.

Naturally, independent publishing is also where you go to find the absolute worst of analysis and reporting, to a degree that traditional media would never stoop to. The core problem is that of discovery, finding the subset of high-quality sources in the acres of chaff that is the modern news environment.

It turns out that aggregators like Twitter are amazing for this, for those with the mental maturity and cognitive ability to use them with discipline. It's not very difficult to start with a trusted core of intellectually honest follows, then iteratively (and hyper-selectively) add high-quality accounts/author that you find through your existing follows. You have to be okay with a sparse feed to start, and you have to be disciplined enough to recognize perspectives that are high-quality even if you disagree with them, but it's an extremely straightforward path towards a much better media diet than the vast majority of people.

Note that this process doesn't disadvantage traditional media; it just fails to give it an undue advantage. Traditional publications and individual journalists within them can be treated like a source like any other, that can be compared to In practice, this is nominal only: in my experience, the incentives of the industry are such that 99% of them fall massively short of the basic quality and intellectual honesty bar. (Seriously, try it: start checking the sources and reading the papers cited by every article you read from eg the NYT and see how long you maintain confidence in modeling them as basically intelligent people telling you what's basically the truth).

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di...

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#554

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HN is a social medium.

I appreciate this level of blatant obviousness. It is wildly thought provoking. Someone might take this flat statement as being antagonistic, but these 5 words are exactly the point! You're right, HN is a social medium. It suffers from many of the same issues as Twitter. Much of the negativity and positivity it creates is similar to what I can see on Twitter. Perhaps that's the human condition "at scale"? I think som…

I'm patiently awaiting the day I can leap out of my bottle to ransack HN.

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#555
post #151

Looks like activist investors are getting their Christmas wish this year. Twitter's not immune from ending up on this list (on a long enough timeline): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_social_network...

The issue with Dorsey is that he acknowledges how toxic Twitter is, but has no idea how to fix it nor did he seem ready to do so, and this made investors very nervous. See his recent interview on CNN : https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/2100868666791589/

Irony, posting about toxic social media, to a facebook link.

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#556

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I agree, but is Twitter really suffering with any engineering problems? I generally would like to see a CTO come in charge but here's a unique case where someone from product might be more suitable.

Using their API is still a nightmare.

That's still fundamentally a product problem unless you're having issues with the API's behavior (vs its design)

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#557

It will be interesting to see how Twitter changes as a result. Twitter with selective following and setting your timeline to 'time order' creates a pretty good environment for me. It feels like the equivalent of living in only a few chosen 'subreddits' rather than getting the full frontal reddit experience.

Personally, I prefer using lists but I do not participate much, just consume ...

Lists are fantastic. Pinning them on mobile makes them very accessible. They can be set to private which means that you don't show up as a follower.

I think Twitter has forgotten about them, since they don't display ads.

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#559
post #276

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I don't think it can be fixed. Social media in general is a cancer.

HN is not what I'd call cancer. Social media doesn't need to be an engagement-obsessed, emotionally charged misinformation hose. Social media is broader than the category that twitter and FB live in. It can be less toxic, but less toxic platforms are less exciting and don't get the same kind of attention , which is what all the toxic stuff optimizes for.

HN is extremely toxic for anyone who's not a VC-adjacent techbro. If you're part of the target audience for /pol/, you wouldn't notice that /pol/ is toxic, either.

Re: I resigned from Twitter

#560
post #385

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This seems to hold true for many social media sites: facebook, reddit, twitter. It takes effort on behalf of the user to make their experience on the site "better". And by better I mean, less divisive, and less mindless scrolling of memes/low effort content. Thinking about it from the business's perspective, it probably ultimately also lowers their user engagement metrics. Users get a higher quality experience using…

True, but it's easy to find games that don't use that model (especially on desktop or console), whereas it's hard to find a way to consume thoughts from interesting people outside of twitter.

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