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The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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Different cultures have different unwritten behaviours on roads. In the mountains of Italy, drivers give a short honk before entering a turn on a serpentine road, which usually can't be seen around. If there is no responding honk, they will take the full width of the road (making the very tight turn easier and faster). Tourist drivers have to pick up on this :) In much of Europe oncoming cars flash their lights to wa…

In France they seem to use the horn, frantic (and frankly very rude) hand gestures and occasionally screeching tires to let you know that you did NOT in fact have the right of way entering the traffic circle.

And just about as often to mean that you did have the right of way but they don’t care. Not limited to roundabouts, though.

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I feel like Waze has killed the high beams flashing warning, although I miss it. It sounds crazy as a say it out loud, but the signals between drivers always gave me warm feelings of some kind of community with other drivers. Now everyone on the road seems much more internally absorbed or focused. Cars are quieter, podcasts instead of radio, etc. While they were never very common, CB radios were also less rare in car…

what's waze?

Some app that a small minority of people use which includes warnings about traffic, hazards, speed traps, etc.

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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Different cultures have different unwritten behaviours on roads. In the mountains of Italy, drivers give a short honk before entering a turn on a serpentine road, which usually can't be seen around. If there is no responding honk, they will take the full width of the road (making the very tight turn easier and faster). Tourist drivers have to pick up on this :) In much of Europe oncoming cars flash their lights to wa…

When riding in a car with a long trailer (glider transport trailer) from Poland to Spain and back in ~2002, we quickly found out that LTV truckers would use indicators to point out when we gained enough distance when overtaking to safely merge back into the lane.

Flashing warning lights for thanks is also common in Poland.

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Most of them don’t speak English either — this is merely something that has to go on your lorry.

OK Please ask them in whatever language they speak.

Lol, I don’t think the parent was suggesting that they can’t answer because the interviewer was only asking them in English, but rather they don’t know what the English phrase means precisely most of the time

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Different cultures have different unwritten behaviours on roads. In the mountains of Italy, drivers give a short honk before entering a turn on a serpentine road, which usually can't be seen around. If there is no responding honk, they will take the full width of the road (making the very tight turn easier and faster). Tourist drivers have to pick up on this :) In much of Europe oncoming cars flash their lights to wa…

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Tried taking a picture of this, and using iOS 15's "Live Text" to recognize the characters and translate them. It translates this phrase as "Lightly believe tourists". Anyone care to comment on whether that's an accurate translation, and "lightly believe" is an idiom meaning "gullible"?

FYI: You can highlight text and use “translate” for a much simpler workflow on iOS.

Thanks! I was reading this on my computer, though; I did that, and chose Google Translate, and they translate it as "Gullible Tourist", so I think it's likely an idiom.

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> A reminder that pretty much no lorry driver in india knows English. They live in India -- why would they need to know English exactly?

IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India. Otherwise, they have so many local languages they would be mutually incomprehensible. But everyone learns English, and so they can talk and do business.

>IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India

It isn't. According to 2011 census, 11% people in India can speak English (I suspect that the actual number is much lower). Hindi on the other hand is spoken by 57%.

English is the language of elitism in India.

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IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India. Otherwise, they have so many local languages they would be mutually incomprehensible. But everyone learns English, and so they can talk and do business.

I had two Indian co-workers once, and we got into talking about languages. I was a bit surprised at the time to find out that the only language they shared in common was English. One spoke English, Tamil, and a regional dialect, and the other spoke English, Hindi, and a (different) regional dialect. I later came to find that this is actually quite common in India. And I understand English is still widely taught there…

English is the lingua franca in India for a reason, one of the things I found interesting about the British Raj, is, the english sowed the seeds of tools of their own exit - Railways, English and Civil Society (specifically the Indian Civil Service and some vague ideals of Democracy).

Those three things took the area that comprised British India, from a bunch of loosely connected nation-states, each with their own cultures, languages, and religions - while still having much in common, but not something that was easily unifiable, to something much more cohesive, to something that could be united.

Then leaders came along who were educated in Britain, filled with British democratic ideals who learned how to subvert to colonial system from within. Who then did so, they wrestled what was considered the crown jewel of the empire from the British, with the tools the British gave them. It's still a brilliant feat, because it used colonialism to subvert and ultimately defeat colonialism.

None of this should be construed as a defense of the Raj, or to imply that India could not have unified itself without those tools, but it turned an impossibly gargantuan task into a merely very hard one, because those tools allowed (at least temporarily) for people to overcome sectarian differences, and work together as one people towards a common goal with a common understanding.

I wish people knew more about partition however, partition is the greatest humanitarian crisis the world knows nearly nothing about, it rivals even the holocaust in size, and it didn't have to happen, but for a lack of trust between the Indian National Congress and the Muslim League. I believe that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh would be stronger today if it was one nation rather than three.

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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I didn't read the article (and from the comments here, it seems to be a waste of time), but there are 2 phrases in there: "Horn Please" and "OK"; it's not "Horn OK Please", even though it's written that way.

"Horn Please" is to tell the vehicle behind that they can sound the horn if they want to pass.

"OK", I think, comes from "OK Tata" (as in "OK, bye bye").

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Different cultures have different unwritten behaviours on roads. In the mountains of Italy, drivers give a short honk before entering a turn on a serpentine road, which usually can't be seen around. If there is no responding honk, they will take the full width of the road (making the very tight turn easier and faster). Tourist drivers have to pick up on this :) In much of Europe oncoming cars flash their lights to wa…

A friend from Syria once told me that in their country flashing warning lights means "f* you", and when he saw it for the first time when going abroad, he was really angry when someone thanked him. Like "I've just let him merge and that is how he acts to me?!" But I personally haven't heard of any other cases when this isn't considered a thank you gesture

In Israel the most common meaning is "Get off my lane, RIGHT NOW!", so I wouldn't be surprised if it's not just Syria but a big chunk of the Middle East that follows that rule.

It could also be used to call another driver's attention (e.g. if you have a broken taillight and did not notice), or to warn against a police trap (in the pre-Waze era) and maybe a few other things, but it never means "thank you".

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