Live data from Hacker News

Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

consumerreports.org

111–120 of 134 posts

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#111
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arsenic in rice is due to exactly that, pulling naturally occurring arsenic from the water used for irrigation.

I was under the impression that the majority of the arsenic concentration in rice fields is actually an unintented consequence of pesticides used in the 1800's that persist in the soil still today.

Maybe in the US, but in developing countries it often ground water contamination from natural sources.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#112
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The resulting decline in the number of people that can be fed at one time might not be as great for your kids.

Modern industrial agriculture actually produces far less per acre than small market gardening by hand does. The efficiency of the industrialized approach isn’t in output per acre it’s in output per person hour. So if large numbers of people farmed by hand we’d actually be able to feed more people, but the trade off is far lower output of other industrialized goods and services.

You’re going to need to define terms to get me to even closely believe what you’re saying.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate it too. The one thing that does make me a bit optimistic is that firstly that for quite a few of the big issues, things are gradually getting better (leaded petrol having been phased out, PBDEs are on the way out, average quantities of things like phthalates and PFOA in people's blood I believe are dropping in most places). The shift away from fossil fuels could be another massive health improvement - studies…

wow, completely missing the point. also babies and children aren't smokers so there's no equivalency. childhood is naturally fastest growth period anything disrupting hormone balance because of these traumas can drasticaally affect the rest of the childs life. think making them a mouth breather from disrupting immune system triggering asthma or allergies. this all connected and most people don't realize how much they…

> also babies and children aren't smokers so there's no equivalency.

Well for sure, but I do remember the thick cloud of smoke that we had to go through... I'm not saying it's equivalent obviously, but still quite amazing that it didn't affect us more.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#114
One lab that regularly tests for heavy metals, albeit in dietary supplements rather than spices, is ConsumerLab [0]. Their detailed findings are behind a paywall, which is unfortunate, but probably necessary for them to provide the service. And there is little public funding in the US for testing food for heavy metals.

[0] https://www.consumerlab.com/

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best solution is to not having kids. This is if you think for the kids first. There is no reason to have kids that is for the benefit of the potential child. But nobody likes that. People's selfish wish always comes first before the potential kid's benefit. So kids will have these toxins in their body in the end and any problem that comes with it.

Existence feels like a benefit over non-existence. But this is a philosophical problem rather than a measurement problem.

I'm of the opinion that the suffering we do as a race isn't worth the creativity and pleasure. Plus if you don't exist, you don't know what you're missing out on.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#116
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only source. American rice is grown sometimes on old cotton fields, which were sprayed with arsenic to control boll weevils. Apparently washing the rice does remove quite a bit.

washing and also soaking for several hours/overnight and/or boiling it with lots of water (and pouring it out) can greatly reduce it iirc btw, afaik, naturally, brown rice has more has alot, basmati rice seems to have the least https://sites.dartmouth.edu/arsenicandyou/arsenic-in-rice-an...

The study I saw implied that most of the metals were on the surface as dust, so you could rinse about 60% off. I would expect the bran, containing a lot of the protein and minerals, would have more in it, and also make it more difficult to remove surface contamination.

Incidentally there are also some studies challenging the heavy metals in broadleaf plants link. The newer studies suggest surface contamination is a much bigger factor. That's also another 'pro' in the column for cleaning your vegetables with white vinegar instead of soap. Acids are pretty good at dissolving metal dust, especially from residual contamination near roads from leaded gas. My yard tested high.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#117
post #112
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern industrial agriculture actually produces far less per acre than small market gardening by hand does. The efficiency of the industrialized approach isn’t in output per acre it’s in output per person hour. So if large numbers of people farmed by hand we’d actually be able to feed more people, but the trade off is far lower output of other industrialized goods and services.

You’re going to need to define terms to get me to even closely believe what you’re saying.

It’s really not hard to understand why if you think about it just a bit. Industrial farming requires very specific growing conditions (e.g., single crop per row/field and in a spacing that allows mechanized seeding and harvest). Growing by hand allows optimizing the ground space by, for example, under planting one crop to another (e.g., radishes can grow quickly so can be sown between larger plants while those larger are still small and the radishes are harvested before the space is needed by the larger plants). This is all very labor intensive, of course.

Another example is starting virtually all seedlings inside and then transplanting, which virtually all market gardens do. That gives a head start to your plantings. But of course again it’s labor intensive.

A good summary can be found in page 21 and following of the book How Asia Works (which can be found online: https://delong.typepad.com/files/studwell.pdf).

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#118
post #86
post #52

> Grow and dry your own. That might be a particularly good idea if you use a lot of basil Growing your own food to avoid heavy metals is actually horrible advice. To be done safely you need to get your soil tested; especially in more urban areas your soil is often just as bad or worse than the soil these were grown in. Remember, burying used motor oil after an oil change rather than recycling it was common practice l…

Testing your soil is relatively inexpensive[1] and pretty straightforward to do. Further, if the goal is to grow herbs, you can easily stick to gardening in containers or raised beds, where you get to completely control the growing medium. If you're in an urban area, those are probably the most realistic options for you anyways. [1] https://www.sites.google.com/site/healthygardeners/testing-l... reports that costs ra…

Spending potentially a couple hundred dollars to grow a couple dollars worth of spices is a big ask.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Existence feels like a benefit over non-existence. But this is a philosophical problem rather than a measurement problem.

I'm of the opinion that the suffering we do as a race isn't worth the creativity and pleasure. Plus if you don't exist, you don't know what you're missing out on.

Then kill yourself.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up - you clearly value life.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

#120
post #28

I hate this. I’m up to my eyeballs trying to keep my newborn away from all the toxic shit that’s in every part of his life, BP* in plastics, flame retardants in clothes and mattresses and rugs, heavy metals in baby food and now in herbs, micro plastics in food, radioactivity and mercury in farmland around coal fired power plants, etc etc etc. The negative externalities on dangerous chemicals is so very high; what am…

Also kids toys have all sorts of crap chemicals in them even lead was found in many cheap imported toys off Amazon, etc. that little kids are showing in their mouth.

I can only imagine what I was exposed to as a kid by parents that simply weren’t educated in exposing my developing mind and body to these unregulated chemicals in everyday objects.

Post reply on HN