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Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Partisan politics is one hell of a drug

I don't know why so many companies feel compelled to needlessly take political stances. I think they can only lose from that. Although I have heard Nike earned billions with the Kaepernick campaigns, so maybe sometimes it does pay off. But for Mozilla? Do they get government funding?

But what does it matter to you? You can ignore it. It's a good browser and it doesn't insert political messages into websites.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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> 1. In many ways Apple's anti-competitive behaviour on iOS/iPadOS is a blessing. It's one of the few things that keep Chromium's dominance in check. Of course, it's not great that Apple are stifling innovation like this, but consider the alternative: Chromium dominance on all platforms. I think it’s worth noting that (at least I believe) the reason apple limit the usage of other browser engines in iOS isn’t (mostly)…

> battery usage is the number one KPI people care about. I wish all phone manufacturers actually understood that /me glances at my Pixel 3XL with 3430 mAh batt

Battery capacity != battery life.

I switched to a used iPhone and was bummed my 8+ had a "small" ~2400mah battery compared to my Android phone, which was 3100. Then I actually started using it. Even though the Android phone had an OLED screen, it would absolutely melt the battery.

I have so little "battery charge anxiety" now it's not even funny. I don't even bother to charge it above 80-85% most of the time...and the battery life estimator says the battery is down to 82% capacity.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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It's a depressing situation, particularly knowing that Firefox is pretty much kept alive at Google's whim. It makes one seriously wonder whether it is feasible at all to maintain an independent open-source web browser in 2021. People tend to blame Mozilla's management and I'm sure there have been management failures but I'm not sure what they could do to make Firefox a thriving, independent, sustainable browser. It s…

I have to strongly agree with your last point - I also never understood the massive hard-on that the technical user-base has against useful telemetry. Perhaps it's just the loud minority, but to me it seems that most of them have never worked on an user-facing product (for-profit or not). Yes, users can themselves explicitly communicate feedback regarding the product or its features, and no, most of them don't do tha…

> I also never understood the massive hard-on that the technical user-base has against useful telemetry.

People don't want to be spied on. Yes, you can find positive uses for it, but you can find positive uses for many negative technologies. If anything some of the most pervasive negative technologies also have positive uses to sweeten the pill (or even give the impression that this is a sweet and not a pill you are swallowing).

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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post #123

It's a depressing situation, particularly knowing that Firefox is pretty much kept alive at Google's whim. It makes one seriously wonder whether it is feasible at all to maintain an independent open-source web browser in 2021. People tend to blame Mozilla's management and I'm sure there have been management failures but I'm not sure what they could do to make Firefox a thriving, independent, sustainable browser. It s…

IMO they're in a good position where then can include deep-rooted privacy services on which they could (and already do in some) capitalize. for example Mozilla VPN and Firefox Relay which added a premium version with unlimited aliases and your own @*.mozmail.com subdomain. If they can find a way to promote themselves as a leader of Internet privacy with well-integrated servoces, and from which they can get a revenue…

> Relay

I started using Relay recently and it seems useful. I'll subscribe. I hope they can get a few hundred thousand paying users there...

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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It's a depressing situation, particularly knowing that Firefox is pretty much kept alive at Google's whim. It makes one seriously wonder whether it is feasible at all to maintain an independent open-source web browser in 2021. People tend to blame Mozilla's management and I'm sure there have been management failures but I'm not sure what they could do to make Firefox a thriving, independent, sustainable browser. It s…

> particularly knowing that Firefox is pretty much kept alive at Google's whim.

This is simply not so. Google pays to be the default search engine on Firefox because it is beneficial for them. Had they not, this place would be bought out by Bing or whoever else, and in the end Google will lose more.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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The real problem of Firefox is one that nobody cares about: distribution. Let's say Firefox is the most advanced browser of the universe. How can you get people to install Firefox? Chrome has the advantage here because it is preinstalled in every Android phone and Android has more than 90% market share. The second advantage Chrome has is that it cannot be uninstalled from Android. The fact that Android phones have a…

To me some of the things you mention sound like anticompetitive practices from behalf of Google.

Well, the engine has to be there for all the apps that use a WebView and are expecting Chromium to embed that webview (in terms of utilizing any css/js quirks so that the experience is guaranteed consistent across vendors), so "deleting" chrome wouldn't do anything more than how deleting Safari on iOS just hides the app icon away [in App Library].

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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post #207

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it's not "just like Chrome". It's not great, but it's not in the same ballpark as what Google does.

Silently uploading your browsing activity off the device without your consent is absolutely in the same ballpark as what Google does.

This is interesting, source?

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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Recently reinstalled OS and tried Firefox for some time. Could only last a couple weeks before dumping firefox.

I guess Safari is still their own. KDE Konqueror still their own. Sad that opera became chrome. Guess I'll be staying Brave for awhile.

Firefox's huge decline also makes sense to me. Firefox stopped building their browser ~5 years ago? It's not that Chromium is inherently just better, it's that Mozilla moved off of firefox. When you lose focus on firefox, you lag behind.

https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/mozilla-diversity-inclusion...

They are far more concerned with hiring women. They hired themselves a 'Culture Manager' and 'people managers' and 'diversity managers'. Note how these are not Rust Software developer manager, protocol developer manager.

https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/mozilla-introduces-gender-t...

Imagine how good firefox could be if they weren't so concerned with their staffing diversity and instead worked on their browser.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

They are concerned about political activism, calling for people to be deplatformed, etc.

For that reason, firefox isn't even an alternative.

Re: Firefox is the alternative to a Chrome hegemony

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The article says that if you care about the web, you should care about Firefox. I disagree, because my "web" is probably not Batsov's "web". What is "the web" for me? Well, I'd say it's IRC, torrents, mailing lists, git repositories, oh and mostly-textual websites. I use Firefox for the latter, but for most of them I wouldn't mind using emacs-w3m instead. Unfortunately GitHub turned into a shitty JavaScript Web App, and many people still use it so I need to interact with it at times. So yeah, I care about having a Firefox version that can work with it. It doesn't need to be updated every week with the latest user-hostile interface changes. It doesn't need endless security updates, because JavaScript is disabled by default. I don't care about Firefox qua product anymore, because it too turned into a piece of trash long ago. I definitely don't care about the Mozillas. The only reason I still use it is that some mostly-textual websites are too shitty to run in a basic browser like emacs-w3m.
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