Did they really just put "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition…" into the abstract? I am not going to believe that was accidental.
Is inserting a joke in a scientific paper common?
Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
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Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#52I can't read the article, but the Spanish Inquisition is generally misunderstood in the historical context and innumerable myths have been spun about the affair through later Protestant leaflets and the like (outrageous claims of the genocide of millions, for example, compared to the actual 3,000-5,000 executed over the course of close to four centuries; compare this to the 150,000 secular witch burnings during the s…
Is 'widespread social unrest' an euphemism for the pogroms and riots such as the 1391 massacre of Spanish Jews, culminating in (a century later) all Jews being thrown out of Spain with little more than the shirts on their backs?
Spain was the las country to expel Jews in Europe indeed.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#53I can't read the article, but the Spanish Inquisition is generally misunderstood in the historical context and innumerable myths have been spun about the affair through later Protestant leaflets and the like (outrageous claims of the genocide of millions, for example, compared to the actual 3,000-5,000 executed over the course of close to four centuries; compare this to the 150,000 secular witch burnings during the s…
> How many people understand the converso crisis and its antecedents that threatened the very existence of Spain?
> Rather, it was the widespread fear of feigned conversions, to obtain high offices, among the general populace that led to widespread unrest (many conversos had attained high ranking positions in the Spanish government).
Sounds like the same tropes used to spread racism and fear of migrants in our times.
Except they set up an institution to investigate people from other races and cultures who tried to integrate and assimilate, tortured them for confessions and burned them alive if they were found to still secretly maintain any traditions of their own culture.
I can see why people with a Catholic identity would want to whitewash the history of their church, if they feel singled out for criticism. But you are right that it wasn’t only Catholics who did bad things, and the Inquisition probably didn’t do them _because_ they were Catholic. Doesn’t make it any less evil though.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#54I can't read the article, but the Spanish Inquisition is generally misunderstood in the historical context and innumerable myths have been spun about the affair through later Protestant leaflets and the like (outrageous claims of the genocide of millions, for example, compared to the actual 3,000-5,000 executed over the course of close to four centuries; compare this to the 150,000 secular witch burnings during the s…
Is 'widespread social unrest' an euphemism for the pogroms and riots such as the 1391 massacre of Spanish Jews, culminating in (a century later) all Jews being thrown out of Spain with little more than the shirts on their backs?
Sadly, anti-semitism was rampant in medieval Europe and I would say that it was present until XX century [1], and massacres of jews were popular among all countries, e.g.:
- 1066 Granada Massacre (Granada was a Muslim Kingdom at that time)[2]
- England: 1190 York Massacre [3]
- Castile & Leon: 1391 Massacre [4]
- Brussels: 1370 Brussels massacre [5]
- ... [6]
Thus, jews were expelled from countries in Europe all the time [7], Spain was in fact one of the last countries to do so, on a side note, most countries expelled jews much earlier e.g.
Most of the Spanish jews chose to be baptized (among them the Abraham Senior, a senior member of the Castilian hacienda [8]) and is estimated that from a population of 400,000 a half of them remained in Iberia. Other sources (Henry Kamen) claim that [from] "80,000 Jews and 200,000 conversos, about 40,000 emigrated".
Of course, those who remained were subjected to discrimination as conversos, but that's another issue that even them was subjected to criticism by some important figures like Ignacio de Loyola (founder of Jesuits).
[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism/Anti-Semitism-in-medieval-Europe
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
[3] https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/cliffords-tower-york/history-and-stories/massacre-of-the-jews/
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_1391
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_massacre
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Medieval_anti-Jewish_pogroms
[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_SeniorRe: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#55If(when) right-wing extremists in the USA take power in their hands and eliminate all the opportunities for other political parties, we might see religious persecution of abortion rights, LGBT communities, freedom of speech, and common sense.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#56Apparently, there are many other major religious persecutions that are not well-known today. These include the Nguyen Lords persecutions and ethnic cleansing of Chams people that used to live and control more than half of modern Vietnam, for more than a thousand years [1],[2]. Interestingly, both of the Catholic Church of Spain and Nguyens Lords of Vietnam regimes employed Pig or Pork Policy as a control measures to…
And we have today the "New Puritans of the Left" aka SJW/Woke. Very much a religious movement in that facts don't matter, only ideology/catechism do, and followers are highly prone to violent enforcement and persecution.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#57Apparently, there are many other major religious persecutions that are not well-known today. These include the Nguyen Lords persecutions and ethnic cleansing of Chams people that used to live and control more than half of modern Vietnam, for more than a thousand years [1],[2]. Interestingly, both of the Catholic Church of Spain and Nguyens Lords of Vietnam regimes employed Pig or Pork Policy as a control measures to…
> [4] Spain decides to make up for its persecution of Jews — but won't do the same for Muslims:
Because they rebelled against the Spanish Crown, lost the war and left of were expelled [1].
Through the history of Spain there has been waves of conquerors that have forced their culture to the natives (with different level of success): Carthage [2], Rome [3], Goths [4] and Arabs [5]. Most of the time, the natives converted to their masters' language, culture and religion. Of course, most of the time, those who refused to assimilate, were then battled, exterminated and those that were alive left or were expelled (Numantians in the case of the Roman conquest [6], Christians in the case of the Arab/Muslim conquest, Muslims in the case of the Christian re-conquest). It's not pretty but it's the history of the Iberian Peninsula.
- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion_of_the_Alpujarras_(1568%E2%80%931571)
- [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthage
- [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_conquest_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula
- [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigothic_Kingdom
- [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania
- [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumantiaRe: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is 'widespread social unrest' an euphemism for the pogroms and riots such as the 1391 massacre of Spanish Jews, culminating in (a century later) all Jews being thrown out of Spain with little more than the shirts on their backs?
Sadly, anti-semitism was rampant in medieval Europe and I would say that it was present until XX century [1], and massacres of jews were popular among all countries, e.g.: - 1066 Granada Massacre (Granada was a Muslim Kingdom at that time)[2] - England: 1190 York Massacre [3] - Castile & Leon: 1391 Massacre [4] - Brussels: 1370 Brussels massacre [5] - ... [6] In fact, I would say that jews have been the most hated et…
Oh yes, I'm not hating on Spain, but the parent comment seemed to deny the persecution Jews experienced and portrayed it as some sort of righteous anger on the part of good Catholics.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#59Well, that was unexpected.
Re: Long-run effects of religious persecution: evidence from the Spanish Inquisition
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, anti-semitism was rampant in medieval Europe and I would say that it was present until XX century [1], and massacres of jews were popular among all countries, e.g.: - 1066 Granada Massacre (Granada was a Muslim Kingdom at that time)[2] - England: 1190 York Massacre [3] - Castile & Leon: 1391 Massacre [4] - Brussels: 1370 Brussels massacre [5] - ... [6] In fact, I would say that jews have been the most hated et…
Oh yes, I'm not hating on Spain, but the parent comment seemed to deny the persecution Jews experienced and portrayed it as some sort of righteous anger on the part of good Catholics.
I don't think it was "rightous anger", but the hate against jews were commonplace in Medieval Ages. That also involves Spain of course. Until recently, most people were extremely racist/prejudiced against "the other" (hate against jews included).
However, I'm afraid that the popularization of the Spanish Inquisition [1] is due to propaganda. It is called Black Legend in academic circles and the publication in England and The Netherlands (and their orbits) of exagerated stories about the atrocities of the Spanish Crown, Spaniards and the Spanish Inquisition is because of that.
Most of the sufferers of the Spanish Inquisiton were Spaniards, and the Holy Office had the aim of control (with an iron fist) the population, not exterminate them. In fact, during its 4 centuries of life, the Inquisition executed around 6,000 people [2] (according to Henry Kamen). For example, you can compare to the 57,000 - 70,000 people killed during the reign of Henry VIII (only 40 years)[3][4]
- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend_(Spain)
- [2] https://strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/
- [3] https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-killer-king-how-many-people-did-henry-viii-execute
- [4] https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/how-could-you-survive-in-tudor-england/znvmkmn