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Update on Omicron

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Re: Update on Omicron

#611

For those commenting that it's just common cold and about herd immunity, I think we should not miss out on overload on our medical system. This is what happened in India, due to high number of cases (even if mild) the medical infrastructure completely crashed under the load and lead to far more deaths than just a flu could have caused. Wear mask and stay indoors if possible

> Wear mask and stay indoors if possible For all we know about transmission, you should stay outdoors, if possible. If this isn't possible, maximize ventilation. Limit contacts in general. Masks have a very modest impact on transmission.

More like:

> Wear mask and stay (in your) home.

As in no contact > contact outside > contact inside

Also assuming you are not in tight crowds outside or "outside but bad ventilated" areas (e.g. tends):

longer contact outside without mask > longer contact inside with mask

Not because masks don't work but because being outside has such a strong effect (assuming you are not in a crowded area, or some area which wrt. ventilation is only pseudo-outside or you stick very close to other persons outside of a crowd, or you insist to always be direct facing a person instead of being beside that person etc.)

Or in other words beside outside being good ventilated you also have often less chances to directly cough at the face of a person, as you e.g. walk besides a person when taking a walk and activities being less crowded and as such it's easier to cough in a direction where no one is close by.

It also means that there are good reasons to ware masks if you are in a crowded area outside, it's just most "outside activities" are not in very crowded areas and hence outside infection rates are way lower. We are also less outside then inside etc.

Or at least that is how I understand it.

Re: Update on Omicron

#612
post #575

Does anyone actually have source to that? Yesterday we've seen WHO's update about Omicron which was basically "it looks like something we need to investigate, we don't know a lot yet" Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29373066 Today there's anonymous WHO representative (no mention in article who exactly and when gave the statement) that there's global risk on Reuters and there are dozens of re-publications…

Well, it's been a Variant of Concern (VOC) for some days, which was a sign that it's being considered a significant risk.

Re: Update on Omicron

#613

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get reinfected with all sorts of respiratory viruses. Like I said, nothing to lose sleep over. Antivirals have a very limited window of opportunity. Nothing will make our concerns disappear. At some point, we need to move on.

I don't think we can move on because we haven't adjusted our health services to way larger number of sick and dying people every flu season.

This season isn't finished yet, but we are seeing far fewer people sick and dying than last year. This trend is bound to continue, even if vaccines fail, if for no other reasons than the herd getting thinned out, cynically speaking.

Re: Update on Omicron

#614
"Just trust us"

The way people(as in the vast majority, the non-rulers) responded to this virus and the measures following it will remain a stain on humanity.

You don't even have to wait to see the negative effects the restrictions, panicking rhetoric & messages(not about the severity of the virus per se) and dividing political hacks will have on the current/future generations, it's already here.

Again, this authoritarian top->down approach of "let's shut everything down because a _small_ segment of the population is kind of in danger"[and even then, most people are fine given good levels of vit. D and general immunity] is everything there was to say about it.

This is not about the virus, it's about control(and money, though that's a bonus).Thinking otherwise is just delusion at this point.Vaccinated and 2-3 boosters already? Tough sh*t, the new conveniently-renamed variant Omicron will require you to have another "jab", you don't want that 1-5% chance of grandma dying, do you?

Re: Update on Omicron

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I’m not sure what your point is. That article literally says Portugal is not experiencing as large a surge as other countries (probably due to their high rate of vaccination) and that the lockdown proposed is not necessary.

Re: Update on Omicron

#616
post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from what I understand, based on current evidence, travel restrictions will not do much at this point: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/1...

Travel restrictions bought Taiwan and South Korea lots of time in the beginning. Other countries who usually follow scientific guidance have implemented them (israel). There seem to be no real papers linked to the base of this guidance, except that they feel like a attack on the freedom of movement for a globalist elite and the tourism industry. I rather prefer to be healthy and safe, then to put a blind eye to some…

People dont travel just for leisure. Millions of people have families scattered all around the world.

Re: Update on Omicron

#617

For those commenting that it's just common cold and about herd immunity, I think we should not miss out on overload on our medical system. This is what happened in India, due to high number of cases (even if mild) the medical infrastructure completely crashed under the load and lead to far more deaths than just a flu could have caused. Wear mask and stay indoors if possible

> Wear mask and stay indoors if possible For all we know about transmission, you should stay outdoors, if possible. If this isn't possible, maximize ventilation. Limit contacts in general. Masks have a very modest impact on transmission.

I do agree with all your points, except:

> Masks have a very modest impact on transmission

They are an effective measure which has lead to significant decrease in infection rates.

There are of course parameters like the type of mask.

Re: Update on Omicron

#618

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wear mask and stay indoors if possible For all we know about transmission, you should stay outdoors, if possible. If this isn't possible, maximize ventilation. Limit contacts in general. Masks have a very modest impact on transmission.

>Masks have a very modest impact on transmission. Please stop propagating this BS. If someone positive coughs in your direction but wears an FFP2 mask on and so do you, then the chance of you getting infected is much lower. That's why it's mandatory in Austria and why healthcare workers wear them, not because it's fashionable but to limit the spread of airborne disease which COVID is one. Granted, Austria failed to c…

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Re: Update on Omicron

#619

For those commenting that it's just common cold and about herd immunity, I think we should not miss out on overload on our medical system. This is what happened in India, due to high number of cases (even if mild) the medical infrastructure completely crashed under the load and lead to far more deaths than just a flu could have caused. Wear mask and stay indoors if possible

I am sorry but no. I have already lost 2 years of my life just following and obeying the orders. Enough is enough. This is not on me to solve. The government had enough time to convince everyone to vaccinate or prepare the healthcare sector for influx of cases of unvaccinated.

You’ll learn the hard way then not to address nature at your convenience

Re: Update on Omicron

#620
As far as I know the WHO's official position is still closer to "we still don't know a lot about this variant".

I'm most interested to see how severe of a disease it causes. If it's less severe but more transmissible, that's arguably a good thing.

Does anyone know where this data gets published, as we learn more about this variant? Preprint papers? The WHO website? Somewhere else?

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