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Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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The kids have always been exposed to this stuff, it's unavoidable. Focus on the big wins and don't worry about the small stuff - law of diminishing returns. Eliminating ppb of lead isn't going to move the needle versus getting your kid immunized. You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise.

The small stuff bioaccumulates and fucks with your endocrine system. If you have kids, one of the best things you can do for them is work towards the dismantling of Western civilization and establishment of a permaculture-based society.

Based on your conclusion of "fucks with your endocrine system" I'm going to assume your take isn't based on any sort of evidence or science.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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Thanks. I generally agree but the definition ‘small stuff’ is in relation to how harmful it is. I cook a lot at home and I use a lot of spices — including the brands that tested high for heavy metals. Lead is not safe in any amount particularly for babies. The hard thing to know is what things I should and shouldn’t be paying attention to.

We lived in a house with lead for a few years. I had my kids tested every six months. I even made sure I understood which type of test they were conducting. My thought was that this is a long term problem; if levels start rising, then we would take immediate action. Kind of a pull vs. push model. It worked, we never saw elevated lead levels. Way easier than worrying about every little thing and monitoring them at all…

Unless they were eating paint flakes you never were going to see elevated levels.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I generally agree but the definition ‘small stuff’ is in relation to how harmful it is. I cook a lot at home and I use a lot of spices — including the brands that tested high for heavy metals. Lead is not safe in any amount particularly for babies. The hard thing to know is what things I should and shouldn’t be paying attention to.

We lived in a house with lead for a few years. I had my kids tested every six months. I even made sure I understood which type of test they were conducting. My thought was that this is a long term problem; if levels start rising, then we would take immediate action. Kind of a pull vs. push model. It worked, we never saw elevated lead levels. Way easier than worrying about every little thing and monitoring them at all…

> We lived in a house with lead for a few years. I had my kids tested every six months.

> It worked, we never saw elevated lead levels.

How does testing them for lead levels result in them not inhaling or ingesting lead?

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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> ...what am I supposed to do, test my fucking pepper? I think a large part of the USA keeps electing politicians whose philosophy seems to be absolutely that – you "get the choice" to test your pepper or not, and market forces will eventually drive out the bad pepper companies. This can be backed up by the fact that one of the past administrators of the Environmental Protection Agency was a thinly veiled oil and gas…

I know there's a lot to be said about $POLITICIANS and $POLICY generally, but somehow I don't think there's any big-oil type conspiracy to prevent the FDA from checking for heavy metals in spices, specifically. Did they check for them in the more regulation-on environment of the Clinton administration? The Obama administration? Might there be more nuance than "regulations on!" "regulations off!?"

If the FDA had a classification of "We'd Prefer You Thought This Was Safe", it would be a more accurate description for a lot of their approvals. They are ostensibly protecting consumers, but they also protect manufacturers by engendering [sometimes misplaced] confidence. It's reasonable to assume that corruption plays into this when it's sufficiently incentivized.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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I hate this. I’m up to my eyeballs trying to keep my newborn away from all the toxic shit that’s in every part of his life, BP* in plastics, flame retardants in clothes and mattresses and rugs, heavy metals in baby food and now in herbs, micro plastics in food, radioactivity and mercury in farmland around coal fired power plants, etc etc etc. The negative externalities on dangerous chemicals is so very high; what am…

> ...what am I supposed to do, test my fucking pepper? I think a large part of the USA keeps electing politicians whose philosophy seems to be absolutely that – you "get the choice" to test your pepper or not, and market forces will eventually drive out the bad pepper companies. This can be backed up by the fact that one of the past administrators of the Environmental Protection Agency was a thinly veiled oil and gas…

Maybe add to the list some kind of long term campaign to have true multi party system (N > 2). Get rid of the first past the post etc. A separate green party is pretty universal in those.

It is probably hard to prove, but it would make sense that the calculated manipulation by commercial ”special interests” is harder and more expensive when it has to influence multiple parties (instead of 2).

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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I hate this. I’m up to my eyeballs trying to keep my newborn away from all the toxic shit that’s in every part of his life, BP* in plastics, flame retardants in clothes and mattresses and rugs, heavy metals in baby food and now in herbs, micro plastics in food, radioactivity and mercury in farmland around coal fired power plants, etc etc etc. The negative externalities on dangerous chemicals is so very high; what am…

What I've tried to do while parenting is focus on relative risks and mitigate the worst ones.

For kids the major mortality risk is "unintentional injury" (https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses_images.html). This is further classifiable into categories that represent risks we can mitigate (https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/childinjury/index.html): car crashes, suffocation, drowning, poisoning, fire, falls.

This means you can dramatically improve top-line safety just by doing stuff like

* take fewer car trips and always carefully adjust the fit of carseats

* follow best practices for safe infant sleep (alone, on the back, in the crib)

* be careful around water, introduce swimming lessons as a layer of protection against drowning at ages 1+ (AAP recommendations changed recently on this as evidence changed)

* keep medicine and poisonous cleaning supplies out of reach or out of the house

* keep smoke detectors and fire extinguishers maintained; teach basic fire safety plus how and when to call 911; try to avoid cooking burns

* play on soft surfaces and keep an eye out for fall risks

But yeah, I really don't know which long-term effects of environmental exposure to toxins are the ones I should try the hardest to mitigate.

My current belief is that the best long-term thing we can do for the kids is ensure they don't start smoking. The second worst environmental toxin I think I see right now is added sugar; or more generally an unhealthy diet. My read of the data is that there's evidence that unhealthy diet practices (correlated with high dietary added sugar) could, in the long run, lead to an increased risk of obesity, which dramatically increases the long-term risks of top causes of mortality, like heart disease and cancer.

I don't really have a good sense for how "diet and exercise" stacks up against "avoid low levels of arsenic in the spices I'm feeding the kids" but my gut feeling is that it's like 10x-100x more important.

I did like the idea from https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/parenting/home-flame-reta... that the best thing you can do is buy less stuff. If you're worried about exposure to environmental toxins then buy fewer, less diverse things (stuff you use and food you eat) and hope those are good ones.

Another long-term risk I've been particularly interested in mitigating is skin cancers from sun exposure -- I've been trying to be conscientious about putting sunscreen on the kids when the UV index is in the 6+ range and they're outdoors for 20+ min. This is a very long-term risk and it's sobering that it might not materialize while I'm around to see the results.

People who worry about chemicals do worry that some sunscreens might be worse than others (for example the folks at https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/executive-summary/ produced some attractive charts arguing that you should avoid oxybenzone and stick to zinc oxide). I'm not sure the data show that "choice of sunscreen" is the same order of magnitude as risky as "using or not using sunscreen". Still, if you want to limit your risk to extra potential toxins, it's easy enough to pick exactly one formula and stick to it -- so we've been buying only zinc oxide sunscreen for a while, figuring that it's the same thing that's in Desitin and the kids are getting plenty of it. Whether this was wise I don't know (haven't seen any medical recommendations updated to reflect the results of https://today.oregonstate.edu/news/osu-study-after-two-hours...) but it's easy enough to buy less stuff, or buy fewer kinds of stuff, and that gives some peace of mind.

Overall though my hunch is that the "miscellaneous bad chemicals" stuff is long-tail risk versus "safe driving and healthy diet and exercise".

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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post #56
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kids have always been exposed to this stuff, it's unavoidable. Focus on the big wins and don't worry about the small stuff - law of diminishing returns. Eliminating ppb of lead isn't going to move the needle versus getting your kid immunized. You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise.

The small stuff bioaccumulates and fucks with your endocrine system. If you have kids, one of the best things you can do for them is work towards the dismantling of Western civilization and establishment of a permaculture-based society.

> one of the best things you can do for them is work towards the dismantling of Western civilization and establishment of a permaculture-based society.

It would take less time and result in less suffering if you just shot them now.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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>What am I supposed to do? Nothing, probably. Heavy metals come from natural sources in the ground as well as from the air which then settles into the topsoil. They also come from decades old insecticides/pesticides or old infrastructure left to rot on farms. Cadmium and arsenic in particular are among the most abundant substances on the Earth. Every bit of food you eat likely has them both. If you are worried and wa…

>If you are worried and want to reduce exposure, probably the best you can do is buy local instead of imports. Know the land your food comes from and its history. from the article: >Also troubling: There was no single predictor of which products contained higher levels of heavy metals—for example, brand name didn’t matter, and neither did “organic” or “packed in USA” claims. I'm also not sure how feasible it is to "K…

It's feasible. Perhaps not for everyone.

If you're serious about this (and I don't think you ought to be) the only way you're going to control it is by making sure the land your food comes from is accountable to you. You can certainly find out whether the agricultural land your food is grown on was once something else. You can certainly reasonably guess if there may be high concentrations of pollutants deposited in the soil by examining the history of the land. Maybe the land being used was once near heavy industry, maybe it was a site that once heavily used insecticides, etc.

For example, perhaps the farmland you're looking at is adjacent to an interstate. Leaded gas used for decades will have polluted the topsoil to a greater extent here than on other, more remote, land. You could choose not to buy produce from the interstate farm. This is easy enough to do. Sourcing is one of the most basic skills people ought to have.

I don't think people ought to be worried and go out of their way, to be honest. A great way to do this at home is to grow your own produce in raised garden beds with good, clean, fresh, topsoil.

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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post #66
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I hate this. I’m up to my eyeballs trying to keep my newborn away from all the toxic shit that’s in every part of his life, BP* in plastics, flame retardants in clothes and mattresses and rugs, heavy metals in baby food and now in herbs, micro plastics in food, radioactivity and mercury in farmland around coal fired power plants, etc etc etc. The negative externalities on dangerous chemicals is so very high; what am…

What I've tried to do while parenting is focus on relative risks and mitigate the worst ones. For kids the major mortality risk is "unintentional injury" ( https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses_images.html ). This is further classifiable into categories that represent risks we can mitigate ( https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/childinjury/index.html ): car crashes, suffocation, drowning, poisoning, fire, falls.…

just want to applaud you for your care and effort in such a great well-rounded reply.

tbh the top comment peeved me instantly. "oh so now that one has kids, suddenly eyes open, the world is terrible and it is now time to care so much about righting its wrongs!"

I guess i'm just a childless person talking.

And my useless eye rolls are thankfully washed away by your level headed, comprehensive, action-based reply.

Thank you

Re: Herbs and Spices Might Contain Arsenic, Cadmium, and Lead

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post #61
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The small stuff bioaccumulates and fucks with your endocrine system. If you have kids, one of the best things you can do for them is work towards the dismantling of Western civilization and establishment of a permaculture-based society.

Based on your conclusion of "fucks with your endocrine system" I'm going to assume your take isn't based on any sort of evidence or science.

"Interferes negatively with your endocrine system". Happy now?
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