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The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by jerkstate »

ethbr0 wrote: post #6
nynx wrote: post #2

I hope this happens. The world needs more collaboration, especially in pandemic response.

Of all the problems international cooperation could tackle, pandemics seem like they should be the easiest. Either you are dealing with one, or you aren't. Pretty stark contrast. So should make countries more comfortable ceding sovereignty, knowing it's going to be only in exceptional circumstances. Coupled with the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has proven that even the most stringent border lockdowns fail in the face of high…

I really wish that we had a collective, global experience during the COVID-19 pandemic that made everyone trust that the national and international authorities had all of our best interests at heart and that they would implement controls fairly and judiciously with constant monitoring of efficacy and incremental improvement of methods, communication with honesty and transparency, and above all, respecting individuals.

However, correct or incorrect, this has not been the experience of many during this pandemic. So there can be no surrender of sovereignty, personal or otherwise, from a large enough portion of the population, which would make any attempt at international control pointless at best, and tyrannical and horrific at worse.

I truly hope that the governments of the world learn from their mistakes instead of blindly pushing forward with their current approach.

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by systemvoltage »

nscalf wrote: post #12

An honest question, how do you feel about the WHO? I personally have severe distrust in them, at least the leadership. They have show they are heavily influenced by China, and that should be enough to remove them. They really botched early covid.

What WHO needs to do is revisit their mistakes and acknowledge meddling with Chinese leadership, win public trust. It's not the same 80's World Health Organization that made profound impact in the health of many nations. Some of that work continues to happen, but as you said the leadership needs to come out clean or they're going to have a problem with people trusting the entire organization.

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by AJ007 »

hikergirl1234 wrote: post #8
nynx wrote: post #2

I hope this happens. The world needs more collaboration, especially in pandemic response.

I would argue the opposite - the world needs less collaboration [coercion] in pandemic response. Having the WHO bludgeon countries into obeying standards set by a small committee of elites is an abuse of power waiting to happen.

From telling people it wasn’t airborne and they shouldn’t wear masks to saying no booster shots, their credibility is toast.

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by fennecfoxen »

hikergirl1234 wrote: post #8
nynx wrote: post #2

I hope this happens. The world needs more collaboration, especially in pandemic response.

I would argue the opposite - the world needs less collaboration [coercion] in pandemic response. Having the WHO bludgeon countries into obeying standards set by a small committee of elites is an abuse of power waiting to happen.

Having the WHO bludgeon countries into obeying standards *set by China.

I mean, let's get right to the point, shall we?

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

AJ007 wrote: post #14
hikergirl1234 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue the opposite - the world needs less collaboration [coercion] in pandemic response. Having the WHO bludgeon countries into obeying standards set by a small committee of elites is an abuse of power waiting to happen.

From telling people it wasn’t airborne and they shouldn’t wear masks to saying no booster shots, their credibility is toast.

Are they still saying it’s “impossible” the virus escaped from a Chinese weapons lab?

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by wesleywt »

hikergirl1234 wrote: post #8
nynx wrote: post #2

I hope this happens. The world needs more collaboration, especially in pandemic response.

I would argue the opposite - the world needs less collaboration [coercion] in pandemic response. Having the WHO bludgeon countries into obeying standards set by a small committee of elites is an abuse of power waiting to happen.

A terrible take. We are fully connected to a point that national borders mean practically nothing. Only a coordinated response and open sharing of information can stop a disaster.

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by toolz »

nscalf wrote: post #12

An honest question, how do you feel about the WHO? I personally have severe distrust in them, at least the leadership. They have show they are heavily influenced by China, and that should be enough to remove them. They really botched early covid.

I'm always surprised that people ever trusted them to be honest. When have deeply political organizations been a benefit to the medical community?

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by wesleywt »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #16
AJ007 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From telling people it wasn’t airborne and they shouldn’t wear masks to saying no booster shots, their credibility is toast.

Are they still saying it’s “impossible” the virus escaped from a Chinese weapons lab?

As a biologist looking at comments like these make me concerned that the general public has not learned its lesson on pandemics yet. It is far more concerning our destruction of the environment and our encroachment of habitats will lead to way more pandemics.

Re: The WHO is seeking a new treaty on handling future pandemics

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Post by tcmart14 »

The treaty would be great, if we forget and forgive some missteps of the WHO, besides this point. This is the single most important point. Who in the hell is going to actually enforce the treaty? Most of the UN security council are permanent members who all have some ideological bent against each other. Not to mention, the US doesn't really allow itself to be accountable to international courts. Why would any other country? An international treaty is only effective if it can be unilaterally enforced regardless of the offending country. Not saying the US is the only bad guy here, but I know for a fact the US doesn't abide by international courts. Chances are Russia and China might say the same.
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