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Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#12
Installed this and it's great.

That said, it's embarrassing how many iOS extensions I have installed just to work around today's shitty websites. AdGuard to make the web usable, AMPlosion to avoid AMP nonsense, Open in Apollo to avoid mobile Reddit dark pattens, now this (which I installed because YouTube's new embed widget starts playing on touch-start instead of touch-release, so it triggers while scrolling...)

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#13
Lovely...

> The removal of in-video ads.

You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it"

> Prevent YouTube from tracking your play/pause/seek activities.

A little bit of a tinfoil hat issue here, but it's fair if this sort of analytics bother you (it doesn't bother me).

> Restore picture-in-picture functionality.

Picture in picture works just fine on Windows and Android without a YouTube Premium account. Is this something specific to iPhone?

> The videos don’t stop playing if you switch to another browser tab.

On mobile, web videos are paused when you switch tabs or apps regardless of the website. Not something YouTube can control, and certainly not something YouTube is intentionally doing (unless you count Google and the decisions Chrome makes, and there is definitely something to that). What YouTube is doing, as I'll elaborate on in the next point, is stopping you from resuming the content after you have switched away from that tab. On all other websites, as long as they do nothing to prevent it, you can resume your video in the background by going to your media controls and hitting the Play button.

On desktop, this is not an issue, whether you have YouTube Premium or not. YouTube does not pause or stop videos when you switch tabs.

> You can choose the audio-only stream to keep the music playing when Safari is in the background.

As I hinted above, the crux of this one is that YouTube has deemed that background playback is a paid feature of YouTube Premium. I think this is silly, but it is their policy. Feel free to work around YouTube's technical restrictions on this topic if you want, but I return to exhibit A, that you can skip the ads and the restrictions if you sign up for YouTube Premium.

In the Flash days, making it use HTML 5 was (afaict) a quality of life change. This extension seems a bit sketchy at best. On the other hand the fact that the entire thing seems to be Apple ecosystem only probably says more about the Apple ecosystem than anything else (as I've said, this is mostly unnecessary on other platforms).

EDIT: PS: I would love if Chrome and the other browsers reversed their decision to auto-pause HTML5 video when you switch tabs or apps on mobile. It just feels like a way to push native mobile apps over web apps for no reason. I understand the risk potential of allowing this on the open web, but I think a permissioning model can work here to reduce the risks.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#14

Lovely... > The removal of in-video ads. You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it" > Prevent YouTube from tracking your play/pause/seek activities. A little bit of a tinfoil hat issue here, but it's fair if this sort of analytics bother you (it doesn't bother me). > Restore picture-in-picture functionality. P…

I'm something of a master thief myself; my whole life when commercial breaks started on TV, I changed the channel or turned the TV off.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#16
post #6

So they are charging people to remove ads so that the content creator doesn't get any ad revenue from their views? So ethical.

I subscribe to YouTube, so I already pay them.

If I watched YouTube on my phone or my iPad at all, I would definitely install this. Realistically I almost always use my TV to watch YouTube. So it doesn’t matter.

Purposefully breaking built in functionality (full screen, PIP, etc) to force people to use your app or to remove the functionality altogether is a dick move. Something that’s getting real common with Google.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#18

Lovely... > The removal of in-video ads. You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it" > Prevent YouTube from tracking your play/pause/seek activities. A little bit of a tinfoil hat issue here, but it's fair if this sort of analytics bother you (it doesn't bother me). > Restore picture-in-picture functionality. P…

>> The removal of in-video ads. > You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it"

I don’t understand this sentiment AT ALL. Google has built an entire business out of scraping and selling other peoples content. YouTube has become the defacto host of virtually ALL VIDEO. So yeah, I would watch a video without ads.

This is the internet. If they send the ad and the video and I use a program to hide the ad but watch the video thats my choice. Its MY computer. If they want to take steps to stop this thats up to them.

Advertising is disgusting honestly and your statement in my opinion is an ice cold take

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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post #15

Unrelated, but has anyone else had issues with embedded YouTube videos playing just by swiping your finger over them while scrolling the page on iOS? I’m sorely tempted to block YouTube at the network level, it’s so annoying.

Reply above says

> because YouTube's new embed widget starts playing on touch-start instead of touch-release, so it triggers while scrolling...

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

#20
post #18

Lovely... > The removal of in-video ads. You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it" > Prevent YouTube from tracking your play/pause/seek activities. A little bit of a tinfoil hat issue here, but it's fair if this sort of analytics bother you (it doesn't bother me). > Restore picture-in-picture functionality. P…

>> The removal of in-video ads. > You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it" I don’t understand this sentiment AT ALL. Google has built an entire business out of scraping and selling other peoples content. YouTube has become the defacto host of virtually ALL VIDEO. So yeah, I would watch a video without ads. T…

Completely your choice to bypass it, I just don't agree it's ethical when there is a choice to pay a bit of money instead to not have the ads. I will agree that this does not stop them from gathering your data and that is fair. But just stripping the ads without paying when they give you that choice doesn't seem like an ethical choice.
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