Update on Omicron

Post by HanShotFirst » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 2:10 AM UTC

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Due to low trust in government after decades of corruption and mismanagement of basically everything who can blame them ? And who stepped into into this void of authority... Facebook, bastion of truth and science and critical thinking. America's inability to curb its own propaganda machines and its capitalism uber alles rhetoric and group-think boomerangs right back. This pandemic has certainly shaken a lot of nuts o…

Ahh yes, lets blame capitalism for all things. You do realize that capitalism created the vaccine in the first place? That with out capitalism you would have no vaccine to complain about people refusing to take? I really am tried to seeing capitalism blamed on all the worlds problem when it has been capitalism more than anything else that has brought both peace and prosperity to the world

Post by mrhands556 » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 2:10 AM UTC

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History shows that as a Virus mutates and evolves they tend towards more transmissibility but lower morality rate. There is a high chance Covid-19 will flow the same path. That’s not to say that a more deadly variant won’t appear it almost certainly will (or has already) but it is unlikely to become the dominant variant.

> History shows that as a Virus mutates and evolves they tend towards more transmissibility but lower morality rate. This isn't guaranteed, there are plenty of viruses that are still cause severe illness despite being around for quite some time. It's entirely possible that the virus mutates to be more lethal[1], as well. And if mortality does decrease, it could take many human lifetimes before such an equilibrium is…

Post by seoulmetro » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 2:12 AM UTC

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Ahh, so the Asian countries that have been using them for decades, as well as medical workers all over, have been hiding their secrets from us until after March 8th, 2020. Perhaps the real answer is a little bit of both things can be true? That is, if you don’t consider Fauci an infallible deity?

Asian countries have been using them in part due to pollution. In March 2020, there wasn't much literature on the efficacy of it for disease prevention; we now have a lot more information on this. Healthcare workers are trained not to "keep fiddling with the mask"; that aspect of Fauci's quote seems to indicate some of the concern was not the theoretical mechanics of masking, but the more practical aspects of having…

Post by seoulmetro » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 2:15 AM UTC

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Fauci told 60 Minutes on March 8th, 2020: > “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their…

Yeah, and humanity used to believe in miasma theory too. Fauci being wrong and then correcting himself later is a good thing, actually.

Post by Nursie » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 2:23 AM UTC

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That's plausible, but it's not the whole picture. It may only partially explain some of the problem. We have, in the wealthy west, millions of vaccine-hesistant and vaccine-denialist people. I'm not just talking about poor or uneducated people, either. I personally know wealthy, educated, analytical people who have bought into the fearmongering and propaganda. I was shocked to find how deeply skeptical they were. I w…

I don't personally believe this, but I know some people who claim that Robert Malone who invented mRNA is saying that the mRNA vaccines are more likely to create worse mutations of the disease. It seems more intuitive that getting vaccinated is the best way to prevent mutations but I'm curious if there is a good response to people who do have these concerns about the mRNA vaccines.