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Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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see: the blackberry storm, which had hovering with a touch screen. I loved that phone.

How? Did you long press on it?

The whole screen was mounted on a big button, so touching it was hovering and you'd press the screen with a satisfying click to execute something. It wasn't the most reliable if you weren't careful, but why not do that with a pressure sensor nowdays?

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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How? Did you long press on it?

Judging from old reviews of the phone, it looks like a positional proximity sensor. The screen had a blue hover glow where your finger approached the screen.

It was literally a screen mounted on a button, actually.

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It actually doesn’t seem like that bad of an idea to me, at least under the assumption that you’re not going to maintain an entirely separate UI for the mobile and desktop apps (which would be ideal, but is incredibly expensive and tends to result in broken and missing features on one or both platforms even for companies with enormous budgets). I would argue that “reducing to the lowest common denominator” actually i…

Best option is to provide choice. Icons with Labels by default, show keyboard shortcut on hover. Want just icons? There’s a config option for that. Want just labels? Also an option. Want no toolbar at all, and only use shortcuts? Also an option.

It ebbs and flows but I feel like we're coming to the end of a long period of "convention over configuration" that prioritized consistent, predictable behaviour across systems at the cost of powerful options & custom configurations. I understand what you're saying but there's also cost to implement and maintain all those options you want, plus a huge set of testing combinations for QA

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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Something I've been noticing lately is the disappearance of the “power user”. Someone who's not a programer, but has learned lots of smart and efficient ways to getting their computer work done over the years. Shortcuts (keyboard or otherwise), click-hold-cmd-tab-drop or similar patterns, tags/labels for deep file organization, etc. It seems like there's now a much wider gap between the smartphone tap-only user and…

Creative professionals tend to become power users of creative software. Same with e.g. business professionals and Excel.

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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The article paints command palettes as a return to terminal inputs. However there are two massive differences. Firstly, the use of fuzzy search and natural language makes the commands discoverable. Secondly, there is a feedback mechanism that shows what the command will do before it's run. Together, these massively lower the learning curve.

Is love to see a command palette terminal fusion. Thought about this many times.

Although I don't use it, I see plenty of positive feedback about fzf [0] and I'm sure I've seen palette-style tools built with it that enable command and options discovery.

[0] https://github.com/junegunn/fzf

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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> "People need to feel that they can try things without damaging the system," recommended Apple’s Human Interface Guidelines. well, for what it's worth, many modern apps aren't following that guideline. for a long time i have questioned the disappearance of tooltips in user interfaces. especially when everybody seems to come up with their own iconography nowadays. the answer i got from UX people is that "you can't ho…

So many icons are not obvious. Why not some text under it if you can have tool tips.

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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post #54

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It actually doesn’t seem like that bad of an idea to me, at least under the assumption that you’re not going to maintain an entirely separate UI for the mobile and desktop apps (which would be ideal, but is incredibly expensive and tends to result in broken and missing features on one or both platforms even for companies with enormous budgets). I would argue that “reducing to the lowest common denominator” actually i…

Best option is to provide choice. Icons with Labels by default, show keyboard shortcut on hover. Want just icons? There’s a config option for that. Want just labels? Also an option. Want no toolbar at all, and only use shortcuts? Also an option.

I clicked your profile to see exactly who would come up with such an odd take, and then it made sense.

I actually agree with you that this type of deep customisation is great for a "productivity tool" like VS Code. For something that people don't spend hours of every day in, though (say, a weather app), you don't need or want this level of customisation.

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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Something I've been noticing lately is the disappearance of the “power user”. Someone who's not a programer, but has learned lots of smart and efficient ways to getting their computer work done over the years. Shortcuts (keyboard or otherwise), click-hold-cmd-tab-drop or similar patterns, tags/labels for deep file organization, etc. It seems like there's now a much wider gap between the smartphone tap-only user and…

Are "power users" disappearing, or are they just being ignored? Software (and online services) has been in a race to the bottom for over a decade.

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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Something I've been noticing lately is the disappearance of the “power user”. Someone who's not a programer, but has learned lots of smart and efficient ways to getting their computer work done over the years. Shortcuts (keyboard or otherwise), click-hold-cmd-tab-drop or similar patterns, tags/labels for deep file organization, etc. It seems like there's now a much wider gap between the smartphone tap-only user and…

It's also because while the number of programmers and basic users (smartphone tappers) have increased, the number of power users has not. People who would have been power users are pushed into programming due to demand.

Re: Command palettes: how typing commands became the norm again

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Something I've been noticing lately is the disappearance of the “power user”. Someone who's not a programer, but has learned lots of smart and efficient ways to getting their computer work done over the years. Shortcuts (keyboard or otherwise), click-hold-cmd-tab-drop or similar patterns, tags/labels for deep file organization, etc. It seems like there's now a much wider gap between the smartphone tap-only user and…

There is the Shortcuts app for iOS and macOS now that replaces the old Automator app and provides a friendly GUI for some basic to more advanced automation and allows for AppleScript for more complex requirements. I don't know really how widespread its use is, but there are some passionate communities of people making and sharing shortcuts that does seem to extend beyond the "terminal ubergeeks" into more typical (al…

Indeed, iOS Shortcuts are an interesting new approach with passionate communities.

But even the base level UI is not on par with basic desktop usage. There's no system wide Undo, no Select All, no standard menu…

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