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Update on Omicron

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Re: Update on Omicron

#121
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Yup, tradeoffs forced to select towards survival.

wow, suddenly I feel like the film "Venom" was trying to teach me this, it's no good for the virus if it keeps killing its hosts, really its mutating itself while searching for a host that can coexist with it (as I understand it, much of our DNA is incorporated from viruses, but I don't understand it very well :)

It already coexisted with a host: bats. If we're going to anthropromorphize the virus, maybe it's searching for a way to kill off one of the biggest predators of its preferred host.

Re: Update on Omicron

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post #57

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South Africa is also pissed that they've been cut off from the rest of the world. They might be downplaying.

I'm not sure I get this assumption. Few other countries were "pissed off" when borders were closed to them. I still cannot travel recreationally to Japan from the US, and that's fine.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/covid-omicron-variant-south-...

South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said that new travel restrictions amid concerns over a heavily mutated Covid variant are “unjustified.”

He slammed other nations for “wanting to put blame” and ascribe the variant to South Africa rather than working collaboratively to address the situation as guided by the WHO.

Re: Update on Omicron

#123

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And Xi sounds like the Chinese leader.

The Greek letter pronounced more like Kai. But, yes, the anglicized written form of the Greek letter looks like the anglicized written form of the Chinese leader’s name. And I agree, I’m sure it was skipped in the interest of not being antagonistic.

It's not really pronounced Kai, it's Xi.

Ξύνω, Ξύστρα, Οξυγόνο, άνοιξε, ξένος, ξηρό, λέξη

It's pronounced ξι, exactly. "ξ".

Take it from a Greek ;)

Re: Update on Omicron

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Such a one sided view. Let me tell you the truth of the matter. Government is made out of multitudes of personalities and conflicting interests. There are those that care, there are those that don't care, there are scientists, there are people who are knowledgeable of the proper action and there are those who are emotional and everything in between exists as well. It is a hodge podge of motives. Classifying governmen…

I don't understand how what you are saying refutes ass-covering at all. Yes, you have a pile of people in government with all sorts of opinions, but ultimately there is someone who has to make the decision. If you present that person with a cloud of information from a bunch of different conflicting sources it actually incentivises ass-covering even more. You say "ulterior ass covering agenda" but an Agenda is entirel…

I didn't refute anything just like the original statement didn't prove anything. To do this you require evidence. Neither of us offered anything concrete so we are in a discussion where we only offer opinions.

Additionally my statement itself doesn't refute ass covering. All I am saying is that the government is too complex to classify it as a singular entity out to cover it's own ass.

Several things cause me to disagree with you. Some of the most best science is being done by people who are part of or have high influence in the government. There are definitely people up there who view the problem as a situation that needs to be resolved rather then an every man for himself type of deal you seem to characterize it as.

As I said, the government is a hodge podge of both. This has both benefits and downsides.

An example of a government that tries to act as a singular entity is China. In terms of stopping covid in its' tracks China done better than the hodge podge government that makes up US democracy. However, in terms of stopping covid from spreading out of Wuhan, Chinas' ass covering is what screwed up the world. There's good and bad to either methodology and It's too complicated to characterize.

Re: Update on Omicron

#125
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I think it is the other way around, there is no pressure to maintain a high severity as long as the virus can spread thus leading to mutations that lose the severe traits.

Surely such mutations can and will happen. But will they become dominant, if they do not provide any advantage?

sometimes the "best" team doesn't win the league. Its plausible.

Re: Update on Omicron

#126
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South Africa's COVID-19 adviser, Prof Barry Schoub told Sky News that so far, most Omicron cases, were mild. https://youtu.be/3RSRtuRm92o Edit: "South African doctor who raised alarm about omicron variant says symptoms are ‘unusual but mild’" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... "Dr Angelique Coetzee said she was first alerted to the possibility of a new variant when patients in her busy pr…

This is a novice interpretation of the data. Most early cases are recorded as mild. Severe cases and hospitalizations lag infections by 2-3 weeks, and deaths lag by 2-3 months. It's frankly irresponsible to report this factoid without that caveat.

No more irresponsible that devastating thousands of lives and businesses over a hysterical piece of zero information because it is politically expedient

Re: Update on Omicron

#127
post #71

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Wasn't that the most up-to-date data at the time? Are you claiming that they did find clear evidence and were lying about it, or that they somehow should have had evidence to the contrary at that time? Just like any burgeoning subject, you should generally keep up with the expert recommendations. Expecting them to have had all the answers and get everything exactly right in a circumstance with as many unknowns as thi…

> Wasn't that the most up-to-date data at the time? No, China was already arresting doctors for warning about human-to-human transmission in December. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/world/asia/Li-Wenliang-ch...

It was the most up-to-date data the WHO had their hands on at the time.

Re: Update on Omicron

#128
> Fauci told Biden it'll take ~2 weeks to get "more definitive information on the transmissibility, severity, and other characteristics" of Omicron, per WH.

> "He continues to believe that existing vaccines are likely to provide a degree of protection against severe cases of COVID."

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/146508649802653696...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

Re: Update on Omicron

#129
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post #43

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I expect this to be the case since decreased severity is associated with higher virus reproduction. The main question becomes second order effects.

We definitely shouldn't oversimplify. Delta was simultaneously more infectious and more deadly than the original variant. Virus mutations can be better for us, and they can be worse. This article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7095397/ paints a sensibly nuanced picture.

> Delta was simultaneously more infectious and more deadly than the original variant.

That's not my understanding

Re: Update on Omicron

#130

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Are we certain Delta was/is more severe? Since it’s more contagious, might it also be producing a lot more mild/asymptomatic cases that don’t get reported? Severity seems like a difficult thing to measure reliably if you can’t be sure about the denominator.

Multiple countries have sustained mass testing of at least certain groups of population. The argument about undetected asymptomatic cases would be valid in early 2020 when tests were scarce, but now there are good continuous metrics from people who get tested even if asymptomatic.

Gotcha—I’d be interested in links to some of this research. I wasn’t aware there was conclusive evidence that it’s more severe.
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