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Update on Omicron

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Re: Update on Omicron

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When people realized that "Nu variant" sounded like "New variant"

And Xi sounds like the Chinese leader.

The Greek letter pronounced more like Kai. But, yes, the anglicized written form of the Greek letter looks like the anglicized written form of the Chinese leader’s name. And I agree, I’m sure it was skipped in the interest of not being antagonistic.

Re: Update on Omicron

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Based on people I've discussed this with their explanation is: The data doesn't support lockdowns and madates for the masses . Deaths are typically a select subset of the population. Hospitalizations much the same. Using a one size fit all solution - when surgical solutions are more appropriate -makes them suspect. Please don't shoot this messenger. I'm just providing context that tends to be missed elsewhere. p.s. f…

Aside from ethical concerns around shutting a subset of the population out of society to benefit others, that presumes that a selective approach would be effective, and that it is feasible to segregate the vulnerable and non-vulnerable populations. Do you have any practical suggestions as to how that might be implemented? As a I believe that’s why it hasn’t been attempted.

Again, I'm just the messenger. But the gist I get is this: locking down select subsets (of high risk individuals) is doable simply because locking down everyone is doable.

But speaking for myself, the fact that early on there were such a ridiculous number of deaths in retirement homes (primarily in NY, NJ, PA and CA) never smelled right to me. We had data - openly mentioned in the media - about Italy and the elderly and yet the same thing happened here? It's been all down hill since then.

Re: Update on Omicron

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You can always follow the money to see who benefits from a decision, and who gets penalized. The initial lockdowns penalized many small businesses (small shops, hairdressers) that could not operate and benefited large online retailers and chains like Walmart that were declared exempt, that got extra business. The lockdowns also justified large-scale payout of benefits, that were funded by increasing the money supply.…

So you’re just ignoring the countless lives saved and lost?

That would be devastating to their argument, so of course they are.

Though I'm impressed they're literally making the "lockdowns are being driven by Big Delivery Service" argument.

Re: Update on Omicron

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In order for there to be an evolutionary pressure toward becoming less severe, having higher severity has to give some disadvantage - e.g. killing the host before it can spread the disease or giving stronger symptoms so hosts can be isolated before they can spread it. The corona virus is pretty unique in how much it can spread before/without any symptoms showing up, which should mean there's relatively less room for…

Can someone explain whether corona is unique in this attribute of spreading versus other viruses? I would expect most cold-related viruses or other viruses in the human virome to exhibit this pattern.

As you suspect, Coronavirus isn't unique in having an incubation period, or in being infectious during the latter part of the incubation period.

Of course, there's questions of degree.

Re: Update on Omicron

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This new variant has been called "mild." I hope this proves to be true, and is not used as an excuse for another lockdown. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

Why do you say "excuse for another lockdown"? Are you implying that someone in government has alterior motives to desire a lockdown?

Arse covering is as good ulterior motive as any, something anyone who’s dealt with large organisations of any sort will attest to.

I’d argue the reason governments obsess over marginally effective at best measures like masks is that they give society the opportunity to wag their fingers and exercise the usual moral authoritarianism at their neighbours instead of blaming the politicians for their various inadequacies throughout the pandemic (including in the UK’s case running the NHS into the ground with cuts a decade before in their usual miserly short-sightedness).

Re: Update on Omicron

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Would be interesting if Omicron turns out to be protected against by vaccines over natural immunity. I’d been in favour of America adopting the European 2G precedent, but perhaps a more conservative stance is warranted.

Re: Update on Omicron

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I would love for a COVID variation for with low severity illness to become dominant ... forever?

I expect this to be the case since decreased severity is associated with higher virus reproduction. The main question becomes second order effects.

Not inherently. Good counter example is the delta variant, which was worse in every aspect.

Re: Update on Omicron

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Based on people I've discussed this with their explanation is: The data doesn't support lockdowns and madates for the masses . Deaths are typically a select subset of the population. Hospitalizations much the same. Using a one size fit all solution - when surgical solutions are more appropriate -makes them suspect. Please don't shoot this messenger. I'm just providing context that tends to be missed elsewhere. p.s. f…

Aside from ethical concerns around shutting a subset of the population out of society to benefit others, that presumes that a selective approach would be effective, and that it is feasible to segregate the vulnerable and non-vulnerable populations. Do you have any practical suggestions as to how that might be implemented? As a I believe that’s why it hasn’t been attempted.

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Re: Update on Omicron

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South Africa is also pissed that they've been cut off from the rest of the world. They might be downplaying.

I'm not sure I get this assumption. Few other countries were "pissed off" when borders were closed to them. I still cannot travel recreationally to Japan from the US, and that's fine.

I assume if you deal in any kind of tourism/business travel or travel adjacent business, you wouldn't be too happy about closing the borders.

Re: Update on Omicron

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South Africa's COVID-19 adviser, Prof Barry Schoub told Sky News that so far, most Omicron cases, were mild. https://youtu.be/3RSRtuRm92o Edit: "South African doctor who raised alarm about omicron variant says symptoms are ‘unusual but mild’" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... "Dr Angelique Coetzee said she was first alerted to the possibility of a new variant when patients in her busy pr…

    It is not yet clear whether infection with Omicron causes more severe disease compared to infections with other variants, including Delta.
I thought this was weirdly worded. It's also not clear whether Omicron disease is less severe, either, right?

A long time ago, long before the pandemic politicized messaging so much, a researcher posted a comment here on HN where they said that virus deadliness and contagiousness were in tension.

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