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Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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There's no way on earth they can actually know the movie-viewing history of those who recently died. So the data must simply be fabricated. It undermines the point they're trying to make. They should have used a real example.

Its so so clearly a joke. Come on man.

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Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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This is a reference to this post:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adult...

I had a discussion about it at work because my teammate is vocal about the alleged harm that vaccines cause and is no stranger to confirmation bias.

Shame that they lumped so many people into the same group, because if you look closer at the data for e.g. England:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaTyp...

There's a strong correlation between age and vaccine intake, because older people were given priority.

The difference in intake among the age groups is as high as 50 percentage points.

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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This reminds me of the sort of light poking of common "correlation is not the same as causation" and "beware of confounding factors" statistical failures behind the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster "clearly reduction in pirates has caused global warming!" [0]. But it's a major in modern public discourse, and one for once that I'm quite willing to lay heavily at the feet of the public education system. Easily one of the most valuable classes I took in my entire time K-12 was AP Probability & Stats as a sophomore, but that was an entirely optional class with restricted openings anyway (a single teacher in a school of 1200+) which the vast majority never took even where it was offered. Yet interpreting the deluge of data in the modern world requires some level of being able to reason about things probabilisticly and have a sense of what actually goes into a measure of "significance", null hypothesis and the danger of result-driven analysis finding links that don't exist and/or cannot possibly be causitive, how sampling a population works and what the error bars look like at different sizes, random vs biased distributions, the underlying distributions, confounding factors etc. I really wish in general kids got started on some light probability thinking as early as possible, in elementary school even, without any real math (let alone calc and such) yet, but just some initial stuff to start to illustrate the mindset. Lots of very fun games and hands-on exercises with dice and so on use or could be made to use important aspects of probability and its misuse.

At any rate, I'm certainly not an expert. But there seems to be some missing BS filter where people can recognize something as silly if the example is silly enough but not in the exact same logic fail for something that seems "more reasonable somehow".

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0: https://www.spaghettimonster.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/...

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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The introduction to the article needs more context. I don’t understand why it exists, who cares about it and who would believe that.

Often, you can discover such things by reading the article.

Often, but not in this case, hence my comment.

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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post #14

This reminds me of the sort of light poking of common "correlation is not the same as causation" and "beware of confounding factors" statistical failures behind the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster "clearly reduction in pirates has caused global warming!" [0]. But it's a major in modern public discourse, and one for once that I'm quite willing to lay heavily at the feet of the public education system. Easily on…

> … there seems to be some missing BS filter where people can recognize something as silly if the example is silly enough but not in the exact same logic fail for something that seems "more reasonable somehow".

Maybe combined with motivated reasoning.

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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This sort of thing is why "do your own research" is simply not plausible advice for 99% of people, even highly educated intelligent people with time on their hands.

Most of the high level problems in our civilization require years of study to even be capable of formulating a valid opinion.

The thing people have to do is to instead focus on evaluating people and deciding who probably knows who they are talking about. This is the same thing successful leaders and managers have to do when they hire. Unfortunately there is no foolproof method. Going with the consensus in a field is going to yield better than average results, but it's not a perfect rule by any means.

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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This reminds me of the sort of light poking of common "correlation is not the same as causation" and "beware of confounding factors" statistical failures behind the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster "clearly reduction in pirates has caused global warming!" [0]. But it's a major in modern public discourse, and one for once that I'm quite willing to lay heavily at the feet of the public education system. Easily on…

Sounds like 13% of all silly correlations cause 50% of the fallacy.

Re: Is watching the 1984 Ghostbusters movie killing people?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often, you can discover such things by reading the article.

Often, but not in this case, hence my comment.

Did you read the whole article? At the end it reveals the entire point - that failing to take into consideration the age of study participants in things like Covid death rates render false conclusions from studies.
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