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Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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83% gross margin and only $1m in net profit per year? Isn't that a bit low for a tech company? (no mean to be harsh, just questioning)

I guess it all depends on if they are reinvesting for growth. Also, it depends on how much man-power it actually takes to run their business.

Gross margin is revenue minus expenses directly relating to providing those good/services and usually scales with revenue.

If they are trying to grow really fast, then they might be spending a lot on other expenses to increase this growth. These expenses aren't directly related to the sales.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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I gotta be honest, that was depressing to read. Why would he want to raise $24mm when he could just build a profitable sales machine from day one, with a Scalable and repeatable sales process? I think he should read the book _The Lean Startup_ by Eric Ries.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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What a great article - thank you. But please, that's it with the fund raising, please stop now.

You've demonstrated that SEOmoz can get through tough times and grow organically. You've even grown SEOMoz to a reasonable size and are now able to layer on team members almost as fast as you can hire them. Next year you'll be much bigger, and it's going to be even easier.

As you say the fund raising process distracted you from the main customer cause, and I suspect that having those funds would most likely have done serious damage.

So it's good to see you are sticking to your guns and moving away from fund raising to keep building the business. There seems to be no reason to give any of it away for the sake of a few bucks a year or two earlier than otherwise expected.

Perhaps you could also slow growth just a fraction and take some more cash out to ensure that the shareholders are comfortable along the way. While it might take a year longer to get to $100 million, you'll be a lot happier along the way.

The contrarian VCs of old would be writing checks, but by the time SEO is cool with many of the current crop you'll be starting your own fund.

Great stuff.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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I gotta be honest, that was depressing to read. Why would he want to raise $24mm when he could just build a profitable sales machine from day one, with a Scalable and repeatable sales process ? I think he should read the book _The Lean Startup_ by Eric Ries.

That book hasn't been released yet... I've had it preordered for 10 months.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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So...who's Neil?

This is why we can't have nice things.

If Rand wanted the world to know he would have said so. And guess what -- if we were to successfully guess, I'd imagine the next time someone like Rand decides to share fundraising experiences with the world instead of just his close friends, he or someone else in his position will think twice. So please, since I think it's better for everyone instead of just those in entrepreneurs' networks to hear stories like this, don't be a dick.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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Rand, thank you for the detailed and revealing post. Especially the parts that you didn't need to share that made the story much more concrete - such as revenue and gross margins.

I am curious - how do you think the funding would have changed your current trajectory? From all appearances your business is growing well.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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I gotta be honest, that was depressing to read. Why would he want to raise $24mm when he could just build a profitable sales machine from day one, with a Scalable and repeatable sales process ? I think he should read the book _The Lean Startup_ by Eric Ries.

I think you are depressed by what you think you read, not what you actually read.

He explains their motivations quite thoroughly (talent is currently available, so for now, cash is their major bottleneck, not scouting).

They've also been in business for 30 years (founded 1981). Somehow I don't think they are ignorant of how to run a business.

There isn't a moral "right" answer for VC. Taking it isn't a weakness, and funding isn't a sign of giving up. It's a business tool like any other, and it's ridiculous to be sitting spectator to a very healthy business and condemning their choices.

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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post #17

I gotta be honest, that was depressing to read. Why would he want to raise $24mm when he could just build a profitable sales machine from day one, with a Scalable and repeatable sales process ? I think he should read the book _The Lean Startup_ by Eric Ries.

I think you are depressed by what you think you read, not what you actually read. He explains their motivations quite thoroughly (talent is currently available, so for now, cash is their major bottleneck, not scouting). They've also been in business for 30 years (founded 1981). Somehow I don't think they are ignorant of how to run a business. There isn't a moral "right" answer for VC. Taking it isn't a weakness, and…

They've also been in business for 30 years (founded 1981)

SEOMoz has been in business since 1981? Wow.. what did they optimize for back then - library catalogs?

Re: Misadventures in VC Funding: The $24 Million Moz Almost Raised

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post #7

Only tangentially related to the post: you know that bit about firms ridiculously underinvesting on SEO? This has been true over and over and over again in my experience. If you somehow manage to avoid that pathology, you will eat your competitors' lunches.

Say the SEO consultant.

But seriously it would be better if you spend the time optimizing for humans, rather than playing with Googles algorithms.

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