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So you can _apply_ for permission to take part in everyday life. Great. It's a no from me.
Some countries have chosen the other way: they left the vaccination up to people, and now nobody can take part in everyday life because of lockdowns.
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Some countries have chosen the other way: they left the vaccination up to people, and now nobody can take part in everyday life because of lockdowns.
throwaway55421: …and increase the number of deaths as the healthcare collapses? Or are there other options, unknown to me?
I don't mind taking a 0.5% risk to avoid 1% of my life spent in lockdown.
Neither does my mother or grandmother.
It is not an axiom that an increase in death rates at the population level is bad, because people are willing to put their lives at a small risk in order to preserve some semblance of meaning in them.
This is a point lost on essentially every lockdown proponent as far as I can tell. They are fundamentally unwilling to accept differing value systems and seek to enforce theirs.
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No, stripping unvaccinated people of their fundamental freedoms (as happened in countries like Lithuania and Austria) is a harm to society. More than harm, it's a complete disintegration.
High on that list of fundamental freedoms is the right of free association.
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Because first we were told "two weeks to flatten the curve and slow the spread". We were also told we didn't really need masks. Then we were told, as late as last October by CNN, and even later by the new guy himself, we should be scared of the new vaccine, because it was released super fast, and endorsed by the last guy. Then the new guy came in and even though he had nothing to do with it, suddenly, in the blink of…
> by CNN Why are you taking your info from fake news?
Physical Covid certificates are also not secure at all. They are easy to copy or fake. Any scheme which simply puts a cryptographic number on a some Physical card - or behind a regular QR is not secure. A simple photocopy will work just as well as the original. Not to mention Photoshop. But there is actually a new way to make physical things - like printed Covid vaccination cards - provably unique and authentic. Much…
usa has a real problem with this, afaik there is no way to get a duplicate/back up of your hard copy vaccination record. so i’m supposed to carry a piece of paper with me, and not lose it, i guess that’s what makes it a passport. meanwhile ime most places with vaccine requirement accept a photo on my cell phone - not exactly cryptographically signed stuff over here.
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I remember early articles about how long virus stay on different surfaces. 30 days on metal, 20 days on plastic, 10 days on wood, etc. Also governments tried to convince as that we should wear masks alone in woods or cannot go out in night. Same governments told us that vaccination end spreading virus. It was all lies but still most people believe those lies because propaganda of fear is strong. Today... We still don…
> It was all lies but still most people believe those lies because propaganda of fear is strong. No, it was all evolving knowledge of an ongoing situation involving an unknown virus, with the initial outbreak happening in a not very transparent country. Many people haven't bothered to keep up with the latest information, even with the efforts of local health authorities to bring that information to them. > We still d…
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> Good! Keep it up. Let things be, enough of this vaccine pass comrade BS. You're going to get heavily downvoted, but I totally agree. The vaccine pass is a complete farce. I even have non-technical friends that have faked vaccine passes. For someone even remotely technical, it's trivial to Photoshop. If only we had the same fervor when it comes to demonizing weight gain, we could save 10x more lives.
5+ million people have died from COVID. Despite having most of the world being under lockdown as well as increasing vaccination. Without those measures it could easily have been hundreds of millions. It is ridiculous and baseless to compare it to obesity which is not causing any significant strain on the hospital system like COVID is.
This is a shit metric, deliberately designed to mislead. The real metric that matters is years of life lost (YLL).
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> It was all lies but still most people believe those lies because propaganda of fear is strong. No, it was all evolving knowledge of an ongoing situation involving an unknown virus, with the initial outbreak happening in a not very transparent country. Many people haven't bothered to keep up with the latest information, even with the efforts of local health authorities to bring that information to them. > We still d…
Of course we need to know origin of virus. Man made virus is bioweapon. No matter if you think it is conspiracy theory or not. We need proofs and transparency both on virus origin and vaccine development.
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Of course we need to know origin of virus. Man made virus is bioweapon. No matter if you think it is conspiracy theory or not. We need proofs and transparency both on virus origin and vaccine development.
It's only a bioweapon if it was made on purpose with the goal of using it as a weapon, and nobody serious is suggesting that. If it was made in a lab to study coronaviruses, as some people claim, it's not a bioweapon, it's a biomistake, biotragedy, bionegligence if you will, but not a weapon.
It could be just business. We have never ever before vaccine on new virus after 3 months. Censoring any other opinions than "in vax we trust" agenda in serious media just support this narrative.
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I don't think parent was promoting the use of fake certificates to bypass the need to get vaccinated. They were pointing out that even for vaccinated persons the certificate system was broken, and those folks were resorting to "fake" certificates just to get around.
I got that. I'm just saying I don't really get people who pay hundreds of dollars for fake vaccination certificate, when the other option of getting vaccinated: 1. Gives you the real certificate 2. FOR FREE, 3. With no chance of getting charged with forgery. 4. Gets you vaccinated which will protect you against death and serious illness. I think the choice is a "no-brainer"