If it's needed: if the new variant is very infectious and very mild, maybe we won't need it.
It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Suppressed by whom? You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Please think before going full tinfoil.
It's being suppressed by information outlets of all kinds. Authorities in the U.S. have admitted they need to "look into it", even though we're already in this about two years now. > You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Yes. Politicians are corrupt, welcome to the shitty nature of human beings. They will misbehave…
> This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies.
As an Australian, I'd like to know more about this? If your referring to Gladys Berejiklian (Ex-Premier of NSW) stepping down, that had nothing to do with Big Pharma [1][2].
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gladysberejiklian-...
[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/nsw-premier-gladys-be...
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#43Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
Natural immunity isn't being suppressed. We learned from prior viruses that it is generally not a good idea to seek out infection.
You're hearing a lot about covid because it has a massive impact on society. I really don't think you'd say other preventative treatments are a bad thing because people profit from making them?
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?
The US government continues to refuse to recognize naturally acquired immunity as valid. You can lose your job if you've recovered from COVID19 but do not get the vaccine. There's no reasonable excuse for doing this.
There are plenty of governments who are not great friends of the US. Why do they also suppress this information?
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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We definitely noticed the 2009-2010 swine flu pandemic, it just wasn't as deadly as COVID. Most pandemics in past memory have been minor in nature. We likely were aware of them, but didn't feel their impact because they caused mild illness or were limited in scope (eg, with SARS, ebola) and didn't directly impact people's lives. COVID does impact people's lives and the closest referent we have is the Spanish flu in 1…
> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.
In the US I know several people who have died of covid.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Suppressed by whom? You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Please think before going full tinfoil.
It's being suppressed by information outlets of all kinds. Authorities in the U.S. have admitted they need to "look into it", even though we're already in this about two years now. > You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Yes. Politicians are corrupt, welcome to the shitty nature of human beings. They will misbehave…
> Politicians are corrupt
Politicians maybe corrupt, but our NHS (here in Blighty) most certainly is not.
Here, the NHS doctors keep asking the politicians for more money to combat Covid, and the current government whistles. (Something you will acknowledge regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum.)
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. Only if you've already decided COVID is a firecracker. Most people, especially early on, had no pandemic in their memories that occurred at the scale of COVID and were stuck figuring out exactly what their attitude should be towards it and how to interpret the government health intervention…
> The estimated percentage of the US population that died to the 1918 flu is 0.64% (using the estimate of 675k from the 1918 flu) vs 0.23% for COVID so far (eg 770k US deaths) 1) 675k in 1918? make it 1M, perhaps more. Also every COVID death is a COVID death, a flu death back then could be ascribed to anything. People say Nigeria and Brazil and India COVID figures aren't reliable, how is 1918 US stats reliable? 2) Bu…
You can make any argument if you invent your own facts.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. The relatively few deaths from Covid are a testament to the effectiveness of the preventive measures and vaccines, not an indication that it is a firecracker. Hospitals would have absolutely been overrun (remember the "flatten the curve" slogans?) and people, unable to get treatment, would…
> We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher. How many months were trimmed off each COVID victim lives? In 99% of the cases it's between 12 and 48 months 1918 flu attacked the youth, it trimmed between 48 and 68 YEARS off their lives, as I said: firecracker vs. nuclear weapon
Where do you get this 48 month number?
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. The relatively few deaths from Covid are a testament to the effectiveness of the preventive measures and vaccines, not an indication that it is a firecracker. Hospitals would have absolutely been overrun (remember the "flatten the curve" slogans?) and people, unable to get treatment, would…
> We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher. How many months were trimmed off each COVID victim lives? In 99% of the cases it's between 12 and 48 months 1918 flu attacked the youth, it trimmed between 48 and 68 YEARS off their lives, as I said: firecracker vs. nuclear weapon
GDC7 should not be downvoted for pointing out that 1918 Spanish flu affected youth, whereas Covid-19 predominately affects the elderly.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#50Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
Since you've continued to use HN for ideological battle and ignored our request to stop, I've banned the account. Regardless of your views, comments here need to be higher-quality than this sort of shallow, inflamed stuff.