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Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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Especially wages. At least for the industries where workers are in a position to demand. A tech job that offer in local currency gets laughed out of the room around here.

Are people using btc because of the threat from Russia?

What? You’re gonna need to expand on that.

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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> Western capitals were dead silent during the 2016 coup attempt. Yeah, and for the better. The coup attempt is very controversial and it's not good guys vs bad guys situation. To be fair, the west cheered for Erdogan up until Erdogan completely abandoned his initial positions. Later, the west simply worked with Turkey and Erdogan was properly elected through the years. What the West was supposed to do? Invade Turkey…

The way Fethullah Gülen got red-carpet immigration treatment in the US stinks to high heaven, though. It seems suspicion the US was behind the coup attempt is widespread in Turkey and not limited to AKP supporters.

Any important person can get red-carpet immigration treatment, why exactly does this particular case stink?

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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I definitely like using turkey as an example of how quickly a relatively healthy democracy can turn into an opressive theocratic regime when pointing out how close the USA became a similar nation just this past year and warning friends to not be complacent in upcoming election cycles.

It definitely is a good example of such. A good example of such after 20 years of the West quietly cheering for such outcome. Turkeys' EU accession plan went nowhere, despite Turkey being genuinely serious for years on end. Western capitals were dead silent during the 2016 coup attempt.

> Turkeys' EU accession plan went nowhere, despite Turkey being genuinely serious for years on end.

Only the Turks are to blame for this. Maybe they were serious, but they did a shit job.

Had Turkey quit their bullshit regarding Cyprus, things would probably have gone very differently. Turkey has no legitimate claim to any of Cyprus, as evidenced by literally nobody wanting to live in the Turkish controlled shithole.

From a purely pragmatic point of view it’s hard to imagine a world in which northern Cyprus is genuinely worth more to Turkey than EU membership would be.

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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The way Fethullah Gülen got red-carpet immigration treatment in the US stinks to high heaven, though. It seems suspicion the US was behind the coup attempt is widespread in Turkey and not limited to AKP supporters.

Any important person can get red-carpet immigration treatment, why exactly does this particular case stink?

Well, for once the CIA agent Graham Fuller[0] actively supported Gulen's green card application[1]. I don't know if Gulen was a CIA himself but there are ample clues that he is at least involved with the US government. CIA has a rich history of pulling such operations. That's Fascinating read actually.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller

[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/graham-fuller-turke-issues-a...

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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It definitely is a good example of such. A good example of such after 20 years of the West quietly cheering for such outcome. Turkeys' EU accession plan went nowhere, despite Turkey being genuinely serious for years on end. Western capitals were dead silent during the 2016 coup attempt.

> Western capitals were dead silent during the 2016 coup attempt. Yeah, and for the better. The coup attempt is very controversial and it's not good guys vs bad guys situation. To be fair, the west cheered for Erdogan up until Erdogan completely abandoned his initial positions. Later, the west simply worked with Turkey and Erdogan was properly elected through the years. What the West was supposed to do? Invade Turkey…

* What the West was supposed to do? Invade Turkey? *

Apply economic and political pressure. Threaten their standing in NATO? Stall their admission to the EU?

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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Ostensibly, goods imported and bought with USD will have their prices inflated, while locally produced goods and services should remain more or less unchanged. This also means that exported goods are effectively cheaper for international buyers, so export volume goes up.

> while locally produced goods and services should remain more or less unchanged. This is not true for Turkish Lira because EVERYTHING is dependent on foreign currencies at some point. For example local agricultural goods shouldn't be affected, but all the machines in production line are imported, all their servicing equipment are imported. If one simply goes unofficial (e.g. Finding someone to service their machines…

> For example local agricultural goods shouldn't be affected

Why not? Unless they’re incapable of being exported

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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post #180

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> Western capitals were dead silent during the 2016 coup attempt. Yeah, and for the better. The coup attempt is very controversial and it's not good guys vs bad guys situation. To be fair, the west cheered for Erdogan up until Erdogan completely abandoned his initial positions. Later, the west simply worked with Turkey and Erdogan was properly elected through the years. What the West was supposed to do? Invade Turkey…

* What the West was supposed to do? Invade Turkey? * Apply economic and political pressure. Threaten their standing in NATO? Stall their admission to the EU?

They did all that but Turkey is also a powerful country and important ally.

EU can stall Turkey's admission in the EU and they did that however they also need Turkey to tackle the refugee crisis, Russia and other issues.

EU got to the brink of collapse with 1 million Syrian refugees, Turkey is hosting 5 million of them. EU and Erdogan got a deal, EU turns blind eye to some of Erdogan's stuff and Erdogan takes back all the refugees that EU sends back.

Similar agreements are in place with the USA. US lowers the heat under Erdogan and Turkey keeps the peace in Kabul. Stuff like that.

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Any important person can get red-carpet immigration treatment, why exactly does this particular case stink?

Well, for once the CIA agent Graham Fuller[0] actively supported Gulen's green card application[1]. I don't know if Gulen was a CIA himself but there are ample clues that he is at least involved with the US government. CIA has a rich history of pulling such operations. That's Fascinating read actually. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/graham-fuller-turke-issues-a.…

I don’t think this really supports the original claim.

E: s/your/the/

Re: Apple stopped sales in Turkey after the lira crashed 15% in a day

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I grew up in the US in the 1970s and 1980s. We usually used the term "USSR", but I think most of us recognized "CCCP" as the Russian equivalent.

Yes, believe it was on their jackets at the Olympics. That’s where I learned it.

Folklore: in Italy, at the time the USSR was a real football power (Euro finalist etc), CCCP was often used for kids jokes as meaning "Col Cazzo Che Perdiamo" ("we ain't fucking losing").
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