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It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by GDC7 »

gruturo wrote: post #25
GDC7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.

> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. The relatively few deaths from Covid are a testament to the effectiveness of the preventive measures and vaccines, not an indication that it is a firecracker. Hospitals would have absolutely been overrun (remember the "flatten the curve" slogans?) and people, unable to get treatment, would…

> We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher.

How many months were trimmed off each COVID victim lives?

In 99% of the cases it's between 12 and 48 months

1918 flu attacked the youth, it trimmed between 48 and 68 YEARS off their lives, as I said: firecracker vs. nuclear weapon

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by sharken »

icedchai wrote: post #16
GDC7 wrote: post #14

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> whether we would've noticed the 1968 flu pandemic What do your parents tell you about that year? Students protests Vietnam War Woodstock Moon landing Drugs African Americans finally getting their voices heard. Nobody ever mentions the 1968 flu pandemic, given how things are 50 years from now we'd still be talking about COVID and fearing its #100,000 variant. > As for Covid, I personally know at least 5 people who g…

Certainly, tons of stuff happened during that time. However, my parents actually did mention the 1968 flu pandemic (though it was prompted by covid discussions, it wasn't just out of the blue.) But yeah, you're probably right... if things keep up like this, we won't go back to normal due to anxiety and fear. I can see this going on for additional years.

Only if we let it. We seriously have no clue to the bad effects of shutting down and limiting our society in this manner.

In my country we had a serious flu in 2017/18 that nobody remembers anymore. Back then the number of hospitalized were more than double of the current numbers.

And yet here we are with new restrictions going into effect. It's time to say enough is enough and elect politicians that can treat Corona as a disease we have to live with.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by ajuc »

keymon-o wrote: post #20
didibus wrote: post #10

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Sweden didn't do nothing. Most of the streets were empty for all of 2020. Everyone that could work from home started doing so. People avoided social contact and travel. It imposed entry bans, and 68% of its population are now fully vaccinated, 80% ages 16 and up. I think people underestimate social awareness, even if there is no official restrictions, people have their own worries and take their own precautions. This…

>I think people underestimate social awareness Not that I disagree with you, but I'd guess that social awareness is a product of having a trustful sources of information coming from trustworthy and capable leaders/government. It seems to me that handling of covid crisis is clearly correlated with how well people of a certain country do trust and respect their elected leaders. Edit: It all reminds me of an excercise f…

Team programming competitions are like that, and basically the strategy is to give everybody on the team 10 minutes to read all tasks and choose the one they are confident they can solve and then work in parallel. No time for coordination overhead. If you talk about everything you won't finish even one task.

But COVID response is nothing like that - we've had months before it got to Europe and over a year at this point. So I don't think it's a good analogy.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by thuccess129 »

thisiszilff wrote: post #19
GDC7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.

> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. Only if you've already decided COVID is a firecracker. Most people, especially early on, had no pandemic in their memories that occurred at the scale of COVID and were stuck figuring out exactly what their attitude should be towards it and how to interpret the government health intervention…

Gilbert Burns and Diego Sanchez of UFC are examples of fit and healthy bodies reacting differently to this disease in the extreme. Prolonged lockdown conditions on people like Giblert Burns, who experienced mild flulike symtoms, will experience knock on effects such as risk of heart disease and diabetes due to not enough exercise of the heart and circulation. Diego Sanchez has spots on his lungs and bloodclots in his legs.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by proc0 »

scrollaway wrote: post #27
Factorium wrote: post #22

Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.

Suppressed by whom? You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Please think before going full tinfoil.

It's being suppressed by information outlets of all kinds. Authorities in the U.S. have admitted they need to "look into it", even though we're already in this about two years now.

> You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits?

Yes. Politicians are corrupt, welcome to the shitty nature of human beings. They will misbehave and commit atrocities over and over again, as proven by history. I don't think we've entered a special time in history where people in power are somehow immune to corruption now. This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies. Why wouldn't more of them be in that situation?

> Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it?

Vaccines use one's natural immunity. Furthermore, why isn't it a solution to expand hospital care, and/or take that care to people's homes? After all, we can clearly see the vax does not eliminate the chance of landing in the hospital, and places with 90%+ vax are still seeing spikes. There is clearly a focus of pushing the vax at all costs.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by inglor_cz »

GDC7 wrote: post #14
icedchai wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect neither of us were around then, so we can't really say, on a personal level, whether we would've noticed the 1968 flu pandemic. But the fact is millions of people died, and millions more got sick. Television and news papers were obviously around then, so people would've been talking about it. We are definitely more connected today, but to claim it "would not have been noticed" is an exaggeration. As for Cov…

> whether we would've noticed the 1968 flu pandemic What do your parents tell you about that year? Students protests Vietnam War Woodstock Moon landing Drugs African Americans finally getting their voices heard. Nobody ever mentions the 1968 flu pandemic, given how things are 50 years from now we'd still be talking about COVID and fearing its #100,000 variant. > As for Covid, I personally know at least 5 people who g…

The cultural trace of the Spanish flu is remarkably thin, too.

1918 is remembered as the year when the Great War ended and several empires disintegrated, even though the flu almost certainly killed more people than the war, and in much shorter time.

And yet, books, movies and songs about the Spanish flu are rare.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

joshuaissac wrote: post #26
Factorium wrote: post #22

Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.

> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?

The US government continues to refuse to recognize naturally acquired immunity as valid. You can lose your job if you've recovered from COVID19 but do not get the vaccine. There's no reasonable excuse for doing this.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by aahortwwy »

thuccess129 wrote: post #35
thisiszilff wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. Only if you've already decided COVID is a firecracker. Most people, especially early on, had no pandemic in their memories that occurred at the scale of COVID and were stuck figuring out exactly what their attitude should be towards it and how to interpret the government health intervention…

Gilbert Burns and Diego Sanchez of UFC are examples of fit and healthy bodies reacting differently to this disease in the extreme. Prolonged lockdown conditions on people like Giblert Burns, who experienced mild flulike symtoms, will experience knock on effects such as risk of heart disease and diabetes due to not enough exercise of the heart and circulation. Diego Sanchez has spots on his lungs and bloodclots in his…

42% of the US population is obese.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Post by downrightmike »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #38
joshuaissac wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?

The US government continues to refuse to recognize naturally acquired immunity as valid. You can lose your job if you've recovered from COVID19 but do not get the vaccine. There's no reasonable excuse for doing this.

BECUASE IT ISN'T VALID More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...
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