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The melancholy decline of the semicolon

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Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

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post #28

Meh. Grammar, in general, is on a steep suckiness trend. For example, when was the last time you saw someone on the web actually use the correct past tense of "lead (verb, transitive)"?

Some would say that a focus on proper grammar, expansive incorporated linguistical repertoires, and western/anglo-centric style is not inclusive. And I would agree.

In line with your example, I have noticed "costed" used instead of "cost" increasingly often.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#53
post #34

I am seeing a use of the instruments that seems quite confused. The semicolon is part of the division of the expression of thought in supersets and subsets of structural affinity: comma, semicolon, period, new paragraph. (Which also means that the semicolon has a necessary role in general: whenever the structure is best defined also using that level of affinity.) The dash, the colon and the brackets are instead relat…

Did you mean `full-stop' in your 2nd paragraph, or are you ascribing a double role to the colon and ignoring the full-stop?

According to Fowler (The King's English), there was a time when the difference between , ; : . was merely quantitative (which explains the name `semicolon').

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#54
post #28

Meh. Grammar, in general, is on a steep suckiness trend. For example, when was the last time you saw someone on the web actually use the correct past tense of "lead (verb, transitive)"?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29274875#29276377

8 days ago, 3 times.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#55
post #28

Meh. Grammar, in general, is on a steep suckiness trend. For example, when was the last time you saw someone on the web actually use the correct past tense of "lead (verb, transitive)"?

What is the correct past tense of lead? I thought it was “led”, but I can’t remember having ever read any other form? What often irks me, as a non-native speaker, is the wrong subjunctive (if that’s what it’s called). People say and write all the time “I wish you were there”, when they mean “I wish you had been there”. At least I’m pretty sure that’s how it’s supposed to be…

Present: "He leads me to believe in grammatical rigor."

Past: "She led me to that conclusion long ago."

Past, growing popular but historically incorrect: "She lead me to that conclusion long ago."

Noun: "I licked the sweet lead off the wall."

Also noun: "After six rounds of chess-boxing-sprinting, it was not clear to either of the participants who had the lead."

Also also popular but historically incorrect noun: "We have eighty thousand lead-free ornaments on this wall, each lit by an individually-addressable led."

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#56

"The semicolon is a profound public mystery; the only punctuation mark that regularly unites readers and writers in deep-seated repugnance." That sentence should have used a colon, not a semi-colon, IIANM. The digital world churns; Twitter is not an arena known for reflection. Semicolons, then, are snottily elitist and shadily indirect. The elitist snottiness is in assuming people live their lives on Twitter and the…

> Two phrases separated by a comma are really an inseparable part of the same idea idea; if you separate them by a semicolon, they can each stand in their own right.

A semicolon is a period and a comma combined. This makes me think that if the first part logically should end with a question mark or exclamation mark, we should have corresponding symbols for that.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#57
post #47

Semicolons aren't just for high literature: https://serprex.github.io/w/ ; > Semicolons are hot Dash seems a poor substitute. A dash is closer to a period. Semicolons work well for when just using multiple commas would become ambiguous. Shorter sentences also solve that, but sometimes you want a run on sentence, sometimes you want to splice more context in at this very point. & sometimes you just want to drop a conju…

>> at this very point. & sometimes

Unless you're a famous writer, isn't that against the law?

I thought you're supposed to start a sentence with a capital letter, or can anything follow a hard stop? E.g. is this kosher (?):

Microsoft copied Java. .net, they called it.

Final question; what if your name is kreeben with a lowercase 'k', is this kosher:

Grammar is hard. kreeben does not understand it.

?

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#58
post #38

I’ve read some shelves in my life, and from a reader’s perspective a good read has never made me think about what punctuation the author used. This is an inside nonsense which only worries idling writers and critics.

I considered Frankenstein to be a good read. Compared to the stuff I read before, Shelley's frequent use of the semicolon did startle me. And taught me its proper usage.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#60
post #38

I’ve read some shelves in my life, and from a reader’s perspective a good read has never made me think about what punctuation the author used. This is an inside nonsense which only worries idling writers and critics.

>a good read has never made me think about what punctuation the author used

I can with certainty conclude that you have never ever read any Cormac McCarthy or Charles Dickens, and you should, if only to illustrate each extreme of the milieu which you've thus far ignored.

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