Live data from Hacker News

The melancholy decline of the semicolon

unherd.com

41–50 of 260 posts

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#42
post #9

Sentence length has gone down a lot, it feels like. So really, the semicolon has not been replaced by the dash, but by the period.

For a couple of decades now college professors have been death on passive voice sentences, which tends to create students and then writers who avoid long sentences for fear they aren't "punchy" enough.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#46
post #25

Twitter has rescued the semicolon for me as a way to save a character since an em-dash requires an extra space.

While some publications do add space on either side of an em-dash—including, apparently, the submitted website—I was always taught not to. It certainly isn't required.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#47
Semicolons aren't just for high literature: https://serprex.github.io/w/;

> Semicolons are hot

Dash seems a poor substitute. A dash is closer to a period. Semicolons work well for when just using multiple commas would become ambiguous. Shorter sentences also solve that, but sometimes you want a run on sentence, sometimes you want to splice more context in at this very point. & sometimes you just want to drop a conjunction

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#48
post #28

Meh. Grammar, in general, is on a steep suckiness trend. For example, when was the last time you saw someone on the web actually use the correct past tense of "lead (verb, transitive)"?

What is the correct past tense of lead? I thought it was “led”, but I can’t remember having ever read any other form?

What often irks me, as a non-native speaker, is the wrong subjunctive (if that’s what it’s called). People say and write all the time “I wish you were there”, when they mean “I wish you had been there”. At least I’m pretty sure that’s how it’s supposed to be…

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#49
post #9

Sentence length has gone down a lot, it feels like. So really, the semicolon has not been replaced by the dash, but by the period.

For a couple of decades now college professors have been death on passive voice sentences, which tends to create students and then writers who avoid long sentences for fear they aren't "punchy" enough.

And the sad thing is, they don’t even know what the passive voice is! See G. K. Pullum, Fear and Loathing of the English Passive [http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html]. Their unintentional hypocrisy is quite something, e.g.:

> … it makes little difference if you decide to look at prose written by the advisers on usage themselves. Consider the beginning of E. B. White's introduction to his revision of The Elements of Style (Strunk & White 2000). I underline the head verbs of the passive VPs … Six instances of transitive verbs appear here: took, called, required, called, known, and printed. Five of them are in the passive. That's over 83 percent.

Re: The melancholy decline of the semicolon

#50
post #18

If you’re a good enough writer to know how to property use a semicolon, you’re a good enough writer to not need to use one.

> to not need to use one Why should one avoid using it.

One should decide if one is using it because it’s the best way to communicate with one’s audience or if one is proud that one knows how to use a semicolon properly.
Post reply on HN