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Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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This is why we need an independent web browser with only basic set of features that are enough for average user.

you need proprietary code to playback bought/rented movies from eg. Youtube though

Agree, google done got us good with widevine DRM. Time for another go at standardized open-source DRM implementation?

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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This is why we need an independent web browser with only basic set of features that are enough for average user.

The average user doesn't want a web browser with only basic features, they want all of the web to work, all of the time (excepting maybe ads.)

There are always extensions, that currently follow standards and work on all major browsers with minimal changes.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Because no matter what their subscription price is it’s only reflective of the development work required to add features on top of Chromium, not of building a web browser. As such it’s not sustainable. If it ever became a competitive issue Google could very easily close source Chrome. Then suddenly all these Chromium-based subscription browsers would be on the hook for all browser development, security updates includ…

> Google could very easily close source Chrome. Only today did I realize that most of Chromium (and WebKit) is BSD licensed. So closing the source would be much easier than I expected. Firefox and Gecko are MPL licensed, which is like GPL but scoped to individual source files.

Software only makes sense in the context of the non-tech world, specifically the behavior of humans.

Despite the fact that only large corporate interests can maintain a browser, that monopoly exists because of a careful balance where developers contribute free labor to the project. Also Google's open-source initiatives still have some developer goodwill.

If Google close-sourced Chromium, they would definitely suffer repercussions. They would anger most programmers and hackers. Say goodbye to bug bounties. Say goodbye to free labor. Say hello to Microsoft taking the opportunity to fork Chromium and make Google look even worse.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Does “Sign up for iCloud” count as an ad? It’s a core (albeit optional) feature, included with the product the user has bought. The same could be said of Fitness+, or any of their other services. Yes, it’s “advertising”, but sits pretty inoffensively on the spectrum.

Even though I love my M1 Macbook Pro and iPad Pro, I have a lot of problems for them working together with my Android phone. I was thinking of switching to iPhone Pro Max (the only iPhone with big enough screen for my bad eyes), but it’s so thick and heavy (as thick as the tablet), that I feel like it would be uncomfortable for me.

Go to an Apple store and ask to try to lift one. You could also find something that weighs about the same, but in my opinion the actual weight is often secondary to its form and weight.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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anyone paying attention.?

I don't think this have been downvoted, this is a really really obvious thing to do with the raging success of both Apple Pay/Shop Pay/Android Pay/Samsung Pay/Paypal and Afterpay and it's clones. From the financial perspective of the big three companies that make browsers they're nothing more than shopping portals and all new user-facing features built into browsers support the user-stories of people buying things. P…

But the reason I use Apple Pay and Google Pay before that is that it is more convenient and I can avoid touching the PIN Pad. I pay in full immediately.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, y'know? I'd like to believe that people will stop using Windows now, but I think at best they might just lose some market share over the next 5 years.

I, too, have been watching Succession

What? I haven't actually! Is that a key phrase they use in the show?

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

Because nobody wants to pay for anything and ads won the race to the bottom for monetization.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

>my belongings You think they are, but they aren't.

Yeah, this is basically it.

If you have to agree to an End User License Agreement to use a thing then that thing isn't yours, not truly.

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I, too, have been watching Succession

What? I haven't actually! Is that a key phrase they use in the show?

Can't make a Tomlette without breaking some Greggs

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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I mean fine, I’ll gladly pay more just give me the option.

Unfortunately, the "extra" will probably be another 0 on the end of the cost, alongside a minimum order requirement and needing to get the procurement through someone with connections.

This is more or less what happened with Windows 10 editions, as far as I can tell from reading the list.
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