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Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law

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Post by michaelmrose » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #649

michaelmrose wrote: post #303

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It's really not. Frequency is nearly meaningless as you can have as many computational elements as you like operating at a given frequency meaning it tells you nearly nothing. It's like counting transistors which actually DOES work even if imperfectly.

But neurons are like compitational elements. There are different sorts with different power. In fact some human neurons have features that no other neurons have.

This is actually true of chips as well but there seems to be a fairly good correlation between number of elements and capability.

Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law

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Post by ebanana » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

NoGravitas wrote: post #541

ebanana wrote: post #410

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I like jokes but all jokes aside Jordan Peterson’s material helped me get off of opiates

Hilarious considering his benzo addiction nearly killed him.

yeah that was surprising but a lot of people in different fields tend to trust what pamphlets say over what an experienced addict has been through until they realize that the addict and them are a long more similar than they are different. regardless, I got into drugs because I had low self esteem thinking it would “open my mind” enough to jar me out of anxiety. what I did not know is that I was treating the symptoms thinking it would solve the underlying issue of getting my stuff together.

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Post by forty » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 7:55 AM UTC

alickz wrote: post #441

rembicilious wrote: post #331

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I have stepped on a dogs foot. It made a “Yipe!” noise and leapt back. Then it approached me “submissively”, with it’s head held low and tail down. It seems rather “obvious” to me that the animal felt pain, reacted suddenly to the sensation, and then completely changed it’s demeanour towards me.

I believe the person you're responding to is referencing solipsism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Yes, something like this. For all we know, everything else might just be a big chemical reaction, with no pain involved. The dog reaction might just be like a reflex.

The only reason why we know it own pain exist is, well, because it hurts :)

(But once again, I think the theory that other people and animals also feel pain is reasonable and probably the truth)

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Post by valenaut » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

bumby wrote: post #680

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Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly, since only about 9% of the food they eat is converted into edible flesh. So even if you take this argument seriously, the insects and field animals are better off if you grow fewer crops, which you accomplish by directly eating the crops you grow, not feeding them to livestock.

> Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly This applies to industrial meat production. Do your thoughts change in regards to hunting/fishing which doesn't (necessarily*) rely on industrial crop agriculture? (I realize a lot of species population numbers - especially deer in the Midwest - are inflated due to the availability of crops for th…

Yes, I'd say hunting and fishing don't have this problem. I have other ethical issues with eating animals, but hunting wildlife is orders of magnitude better than industrial agriculture.