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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by austhrow743 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:05 AM UTC

afavour wrote: post #174

bleachedsleet wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m currently beta testing two paid browsers and I’m about to be trying a third. We are seeing a bit of a golden age for software right now where it seems a certain subset of the population has become not only comfortable paying for it, but also paying realistic (read not subsidized) pricing for it. I’m not saying this will ever be mainstream per se, but I am suggesting that enough people may be interested to make th…

How many of those browsers are Chromium based? Because if they are that’s still not actually an answer, they’re piggybacking off Google’s work.

How is it not an answer?

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by beervirus » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:06 AM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #39

watermelon0 wrote: post #6

Microsoft finally made a browser which renders websites as expected, is up-to-date regarding security and features, and (most) people actually don't have the need to replace it with anything else. I will never understand why they NEED to ruin this. It's baffling.

Because Microsoft's raison-d'être is to extract as much money as possible from computer users. No matter how much they try to not be evil, no matter how many overtures they make to developers, it won't change the fact that Microsoft is basically just a hostile entity out there to extract as much money as possible from the computing scene.

You just described every tech company.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by iypx » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:07 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #158

theHIDninja wrote: post #150

Hey, Microsoft, it's not your fucking job to serve ads. It is not your fucking job to be the middleman for payment transactions. Your only job is to provide an operating system.

The problem is we don’t pay for the operating system anymore.

Aren't retailers still paying for licenses? Or there's some easier way to get keys as a business?

I noticed even shops that sell refurbished computers will shove Windows 10 into them, I always thought it was around 10-20 bucks for a license, so that later they can charge us 90-100 for a computer with windows...

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by jasonfarnon » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:07 AM UTC

behnamoh wrote: post #123

deergomoo wrote: post #118

I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

You apple users can help me remember this. I was helping out someone with a macbook maybe 15 years ago, and noticed in the printer configuration apple trying to sell me printer cartridges. What was that model? Did apple make cartridges at some point?

Just recently I was given an iPad during the pandemic, and noticed the native "books" app constantly pushing a "reading now" view advertising ebooks, etc. I switch it to the library. Restart the app a couple times, I'm back in the "reading now" view. Is there a setting I'm missing, short of airplane mode? Because if not, I don't know how you apple users deal with this money-grubbing bs.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by SMAAART » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people"

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by roody15 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

macintux wrote: post #134

behnamoh wrote: post #123

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I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

I have seen a reminder once about time running out to buy an AppleCare warranty, which I appreciated. What other ads have you seen in Settings?

advertises iCloud ..

advertises ApplePay

advertises AppleCare

advertises AppleMusic

advertises Apple Fitness

Not too much in your face but honestly it does come off as tacky.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by scrollaway » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #14

tempfs wrote: post #8

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It is a for profit company, the reason is always profit.

I'm honestly not sure how much profit a 2 trillion dollar company is supposed to generate from an interest free pay later browser bloatware feature Even if you're Scrooge McDuck that sounds not worth it

The Scrooge McDuck from the Ducktales remake (which I heartily recommend watching; it's a wonderfully funny cartoon for adults that pokes fun at plenty of adult things including silicon valley and mark zuckerberg) actually talks a bit about making money the smart way rather than being a penny-pincher. Which is a nice departure from the old persona.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by imchillyb » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

This is the epitome of Software as a Service. SaaS is a race to the bottom every country and every corporation has been fighting so hard for.

Eventually it'll all be bottom.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by enos_feedler » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 1:23 AM UTC

slx26 wrote: post #162

hvgk wrote: post #147

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Back to gopher. Use native compiled apps and APIs for everything else. I’m serious. Probably shave a few gigawatts off the grid killing off electron apps.

The advantage of browsers is that they are becoming the de-facto "universal operating systems". That's why users like them, and that's why devs like them, despite all their defects. I kinda believe in that direction too. It's just the path that is a massive mess. Would I delete and rewrite? Yeah, but browsers and traditional OSes both, to become a single thing. ..and then regret it afterwards :D

Devs might like them, but it would be hard to find a user who grew up in a mobile native world that "likes" a web browser. That's the problem. It doesn't really do anything that 1st and 3rd party apps can't do. Much of the functionality around identity, payments, ad and ui rendering just works so much better in native apps. This is because of API crafting and data management by the platform and partnerships with 3rd parties, like payments. It can all be integrated in a product focused way. Regular users don't even need to understand it. They are just trained that its better. They will learn that once they get into Safari things might not work very well based on prior experience.