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Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#11
Sidestepping the specific, delicate topic:

Once a business starts making decisions based on anything arbitrary (e.g. nepotism, or meeting specific quotas that aren't related to the business), it's a slow downhill slide in my experience.

Practically: There's not much you can do other than quietly exit.

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#12
post #6

It’s so great that HN seems uniformly against racism affecting white men. But I guess I missed all the posts decrying discrimination when it was affecting women and POC?

I'm not an American but you can't even turn a newspaper page without hearing about it from left to right, every single institution and newspaper is talking or working on it so it's OK if white men discuss thing or two that affects them here. Reasonable enough?

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#13
Are there laws against this form of discrimination in your jurisdiction?

If not, do you own the company or have significant leverage with the owners?

If the answers are "no" and "no", then the answer to your question doesn't matter, and any discussion is at-best therapeutic kvetching.

In the USA, in software, laborers have very little recourse other than finding a new job. We are explicitly carved out of what little labor protections are afforded to most other professions. This means that, from the perspective of tech employees, companies operate as feudal kingdoms and your only savior is a favorable labor market.

Practically, this translates into the following advice for questions on any number of HR-related topics: if there isn't a more powerful king who can step in for you, and you're not willing to challenge the king or find a new one, then go back to the fields and quietly work your plot of land.

I find myself giving this advice more and more often. Software people have been been empowered by excellent supply/demand dynamics for a couple decades and seem to have forgotten how capitalism sans labor power works.

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

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post #3

It's been my experience as well. I mentioned before on different threads that as a hiring manager I've been told by HR to move all non white male candidates to the phone screen step automatically. Regardless of their resume. It does not make me comfortable at all, and I'll admit, it actually creates a bias in my mind when I do perform the phone screen for these candidates. It's completely counter productive because e…

How is it even legal in America? Can anyone who actually knows a law tell me why they haven't challenged it more?

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#17
post #6

It’s so great that HN seems uniformly against racism affecting white men. But I guess I missed all the posts decrying discrimination when it was affecting women and POC?

Yes, you did. Those posts make the front page very frequently.

...and they're usually immediately brigaded by commenters claiming that there is no real discrimination against women and POC, only discrimination against white men by woke progressives and feminists and POC blaming them for everything. Outrage is what tends to keep those articles on the front page, not sympathy.

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#18

In India the concept is literally called "positive discrimination".

Please correct me if you think I am wrong (disclaimer, never been to India) but my understanding of the situation in India is "vote banking".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votebank

» Votebank (also spelled vote-bank or vote bank), in the political discourse of India, is a term referring to a loyal bloc of voters from a single community, who consistently back a certain candidate or political formation in democratic elections. Such behavior is often the result of an expectation of benefits, whether real or imagined, from the political formations, often at the cost of other communities. Votebank politics is the practice of creating and maintaining votebanks through divisive policies. As it encourages voting on the basis of self-interest of certain groups, often against their better judgement, it is considered harmful to the principles of representative democracy.[by whom?]

Re: Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay?

#20
I see the desirable state as being two-pronged:

1. From any given candidate’s perspective, I want them to be treated equally and evaluated fairly.

2. From a candidate pool perspective, I think we need to ensure that the candidate pool is opened more widely than to the top N schools or top M companies.

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