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Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by version_five »

askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

Until recently, I've always thought one of the pillars of western society was that we rarely have to interact with government and be subject to the whims of government bureaucracy. Basically, this is the only way to live with how bad bureaucracy is and how poorly it serves edge cases. Your example - "if you're not in the system you don't exist" is exactly why nobody should be prevented from going about their lives at the whims of government provided data. I actually think this should be a fundamental freedom.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by version_five »

guscost wrote: post #36
prohobo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While your comment is needlessly inflammatory, you're right that this kind of behavior is considered "backwards escape" and is ultimately harmful towards the aims of dissenters. The right way to challenge totalitarianism is to build parallel structures (eg. stop supporting Windows by switching to Mac or Linux).

In this case the flame is necessary, because these people are behaving like cowards, and many of them need to be slapped out of it.

I am similarly annoyed by the "natural immunity" argument. Whether or not natural immunity is as effective as vaccination (it seems to be?), what I care about and oppose is having to prove medical status as part of daily life. As soon as you shift the argument away from "should we have to show a certificate" to "what gets you a certificate" or faking one, you've already conceded that it's ok to have to show one in the first place. It's not OK and I wish we spent more time on that.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by cmurf »

k8sToGo wrote: post #43
xwowsersx wrote: post #40

This makes it sound as if faking a certificate is some arduous task that one would need to turn to the "dark web" for. Here in the US, the CDC vaccination card can be obtained as a PDF through a quick google search. This can be printed and then filled it out by hand.

You don't use a certificate (QR code) in the US?

Nope. And I was instructed by the (private/for-profit) provider who administered the injection, to fill it out myself, my name and dates. They either hand wrote or stamped the brand and lot of vaccination and the initials for the provider (the business itself). Pretty weird, and certainly not certified, authenticated, verifiable. In fact the provider submitted the wrong dates for both of my vaccinations, which are the dates my state has on file, officially. Something approximating official, is my state's smartphone app, which provides an in-state legally recognized digital driver's license and a variant of the CDC vaccination card (no handwriting, not a copy of my paper one, but using an overlay of text based on the information received form the provider). But this app is recently rendered non-functional on Android (and even when the app worked, it required an internet connection to produce either record, no offline storage and no screenshot allowed when the app is in the foreground, unlike the iOS version of the app).

So hilariously, the closest "certified" copy by virtue of it being generated by my state from their app which has legal sanction, has the wrong dates and I also can't access it anymore anyway.

Most places in the U.S. that request it (concert venues so far the only place I've been asked to produce it) have said they will accept photos of the original in lieu of the paper copy.

It is only due to the weak standards of those asking to see a copy, that this isn't a bigger problem than it sounds. Which then renders the paradigm sort of an exercise im merely following instructions more than it ensures folks aren't attending some kind of COVID party.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by ASalazarMX »

version_five wrote: post #71
askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

Until recently, I've always thought one of the pillars of western society was that we rarely have to interact with government and be subject to the whims of government bureaucracy. Basically, this is the only way to live with how bad bureaucracy is and how poorly it serves edge cases. Your example - "if you're not in the system you don't exist" is exactly why nobody should be prevented from going about their lives at…

Are passports and visas included in the "whims of government provided data"? It would be an interesting time if the invention of passports was abolished.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by ASalazarMX »

mrtksn wrote: post #58
meheleventyone wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered how true this was, but Argentina seems to have digital proof of vaccination: https://www.argentina.gob.ar/miargentina/servicios/vaccine_c... Or are you saying that the EU won't accept this as proof of vaccination?

EU Green Pass system includes all EU countries and some non-eu countries listed here and Argentina is not in the list at the moment: https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re... I believe, countries that want their certificate be accepted by EU need to macth the EU requirements and formats. For example, Turkey is in the list and the Turkish vaccine certificate system will generate a QR code upon yo…

No Latin American countries except for Panama. Guess they got their papers in order this time.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by ASalazarMX »

whalesalad wrote: post #41
askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

Fear has overridden the rational mind of many people in the current period.

In both directions. Some take extreme precautions because of fear, others take extreme risks because of fear.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by csunbird »

askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

The pharmacies in Germany will issue you a certificate if you ask nicely, with your native vaccination documents and your passport.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by version_five »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #74
version_five wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until recently, I've always thought one of the pillars of western society was that we rarely have to interact with government and be subject to the whims of government bureaucracy. Basically, this is the only way to live with how bad bureaucracy is and how poorly it serves edge cases. Your example - "if you're not in the system you don't exist" is exactly why nobody should be prevented from going about their lives at…

Are passports and visas included in the "whims of government provided data"? It would be an interesting time if the invention of passports was abolished.

Do you usually have to show your passport to eat at a restaurant? If you're American, would you like to see a European system where you have to show your passport at hotels?

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by prohobo »

meheleventyone wrote: post #65
swader999 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the increased frequency of these players dropping dead. Also, why was all cause mortality higher in the vaccinated cohort in the Pfizer trial? And given this, why was the control group eliminated a third of the way through this study?

> It's the increased frequency of these players dropping dead. But still far less likely to happen than you having a comorbidity for Covid.

Any proof of this claim?

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by usrusr »

version_five wrote: post #78
ASalazarMX wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are passports and visas included in the "whims of government provided data"? It would be an interesting time if the invention of passports was abolished.

Do you usually have to show your passport to eat at a restaurant? If you're American, would you like to see a European system where you have to show your passport at hotels?

If you're American, you must be used to stuff like being required to show your driver's license for admittance to a brewery. I'd call it a draw.
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