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Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by swader999 »

miohtama wrote: post #9

Why would you have a fake certificate as getting your first dose, and in most cases, second dose is already possible around the world?

Many see the censorship as a reason to pause. Some people were injured by the first dose but not in a way that satisfies the bar for a medical exemption. They need to function and don't want to risk more complications.

Other's have prior immunity and don't think the vaccine risk is worth it.

Some research and read articles like this: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107... - "Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning" They watch video of healthy soccer players collapsing dead on the pitch. They conclude they are young without comorbidities and it makes them apprehensive.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by k8sToGo »

lgrapenthin wrote: post #34
ben-gy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - but if they really want to go their local bar, you can either expose your computer to dark web to buy a certificate, or just go and get a free shot… Whilst your comment is factual, I think it doesn’t make sense in the context. The barrier to purchasing a certificate off the dark web is high and require a fair amount of financial and personal conviction / exposure…

Why do you say "free shot", while side-effects (short and long term) can't be ruled out on an individual basis.

Neither can be death, hospitalization, or long covid...

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Post by askonomm »

meheleventyone wrote: post #50
askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

I wondered how true this was, but Argentina seems to have digital proof of vaccination: https://www.argentina.gob.ar/miargentina/servicios/vaccine_c... Or are you saying that the EU won't accept this as proof of vaccination?

First of the digital certificate is a joke, since it can't actually be obtained via the Mi Argentina app, where it fails to show up. When contacting the government, they will tell you that they are working on that (?). But what I meant was proof for a foreign country, yes, that is meant for when traveling. So not only does most of EU not accept Sinopharm vaccines, which is what I got here (there was no ability to choose), but I also don't have proof that works outside of Argentina (and, well, not even IN Argentina).

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by k8sToGo »

mrweasel wrote: post #27
arvigeus wrote: post #5

Just to share some news from my country: there are increasing numbers of people entering ICU, while having fake certificates. Latest death was of a 27yo "vaccinated".

Wouldn't those death be validated against the actual database of vaccinations, and not the persons vaccination certification?

Depends if he got the certificate through bribing or not

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Post by [deleted] »

askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by meheleventyone »

swader999 wrote: post #51
miohtama wrote: post #9

Why would you have a fake certificate as getting your first dose, and in most cases, second dose is already possible around the world?

Many see the censorship as a reason to pause. Some people were injured by the first dose but not in a way that satisfies the bar for a medical exemption. They need to function and don't want to risk more complications. Other's have prior immunity and don't think the vaccine risk is worth it. Some research and read articles like this: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107... - "Mrna COVID Vaccin…

FWIW if you feel like you're about to drop dead you probably should be worried about already having a comorbidity that will be dangerous if you get Covid. The latter is way more likely than randomly dropping dead.

I'm young, fit and had a heart attack during exercise this year. No real known reason other than the acute problem at the time. I later got vaccinated and then had Covid with no problems.

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Post by cookieswumchorr »

mrweasel wrote: post #27
arvigeus wrote: post #5

Just to share some news from my country: there are increasing numbers of people entering ICU, while having fake certificates. Latest death was of a 27yo "vaccinated".

Wouldn't those death be validated against the actual database of vaccinations, and not the persons vaccination certification?

in EU when they check your certificate, if they do it correctly, it IS checked against a database that has your name and date of vaccination. So the schemes to get a certificate include an IRL doctor doing the paperwork and submitting it to the database, and probably discarding your vaccine. In fact, people get this "service" by corrupting their family doctors with no need for darkweb.

Re: Covid-19 vaccine certs on the dark web [pdf]

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Post by mrtksn »

meheleventyone wrote: post #50
askonomm wrote: post #38

I find the whole covid thing a nightmare. I got vaccinated (2 shots) in Argentina, and since Argentina doesn't have the concept of vaccine proof, as far as EU is concerned, I'm unvaccinated. So when I go to EU I can't do half the things there like going to pubs or restaurants, or in some cases even public transport, and have to get vaccinated twice. Not sure how healthy that would be, and no idea why this is (seeming…

I wondered how true this was, but Argentina seems to have digital proof of vaccination: https://www.argentina.gob.ar/miargentina/servicios/vaccine_c... Or are you saying that the EU won't accept this as proof of vaccination?

EU Green Pass system includes all EU countries and some non-eu countries listed here and Argentina is not in the list at the moment: https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

I believe, countries that want their certificate be accepted by EU need to macth the EU requirements and formats.

For example, Turkey is in the list and the Turkish vaccine certificate system will generate a QR code upon your request that is valid in the EU.

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Post by meheleventyone »

askonomm wrote: post #53
meheleventyone wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered how true this was, but Argentina seems to have digital proof of vaccination: https://www.argentina.gob.ar/miargentina/servicios/vaccine_c... Or are you saying that the EU won't accept this as proof of vaccination?

First of the digital certificate is a joke, since it can't actually be obtained via the Mi Argentina app, where it fails to show up. When contacting the government, they will tell you that they are working on that (?). But what I meant was proof for a foreign country, yes, that is meant for when traveling. So not only does most of EU not accept Sinopharm vaccines, which is what I got here (there was no ability to cho…

That definitely sounds like a total pain. I presume it's resolvable if you can get vaccinated where you are now and make sure with a doctor you've had a suitable delay between the shots (as with booster shots).

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Post by juanani »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #6
arvigeus wrote: post #5

Just to share some news from my country: there are increasing numbers of people entering ICU, while having fake certificates. Latest death was of a 27yo "vaccinated".

What country? Also not sure if the answer will be too technical but how do they determine if someone who has a certificate doesn’t really have the vaccine?

I highly doubt they will consider them vaxxed if they die. These stats do not get recorded, Oh they had the second jab over half a year ago? not vaxxed, jab up sheep
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