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A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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They bury the lede in the last fucking paragraph. The reason this toaster is immensely better than the toaster you have at home is very, very simple: this toaster's 1949 price would be hundreds of dollars in 2021 terms. You can still buy really, truly excellent toasters made for industrial/commercial use, or for the homes of the very rich, and they're quite a lot better than the trash people keep in their houses. And…

> They bury the lede in the last fucking paragraph. The reason this toaster is immensely better than the toaster you have at home is very, very simple: this toaster's 1949 price would be hundreds of dollars in 2021 terms. From the article it seemed that it's better because it has a radiant temperature sensor rather than a simple timer. Unless you're disputing that and saying it's good for some other reason that would…

Watching the video with the article I'm truely amazed at the engineering involved in this. In some ways it's so simple, in other ways its crazy complex. Without the timer and automatic io of the toast, I think it would be expensive to manufacture. The internal design might be harder to automate to keep cost down.

I think*

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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You might appreciate the BuyItForLife subreddit. The ad hoc nature can make it hard to find stuff, but the posts are generally all direct testimonial by people who have had a given item for an extended period of time.

Imagine if we had testers who take a bunch of products with them into a space apartments moving at relativistic speeds, and when ready to retire they can tell us how their products fared during their lifetime... Corporate monasticism, sacrificing one working life a month or so to create an index that helps punish corporations for poor durability...

Doesn't relativity work the other way around? Wouldn't less time pass for them if you did that?

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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His whole channel (called Technology Connections) is probably my favorite one on YouTube, can’t recommend it enough! My favorites are his series on refrigeration and heat pumps, for example this one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto Edit: to clarify, this article is based on an old Technology Connections video, and the creator of that video has lots more!

I watched a few videos from his channel and always amazed/wondered how can he has so many vintage items and deep knowledge of/around them. I really enjoy his presentation skill and sense of humour.

The jokes are painfully corny. But everything else about his channel is gold.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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They bury the lede in the last fucking paragraph. The reason this toaster is immensely better than the toaster you have at home is very, very simple: this toaster's 1949 price would be hundreds of dollars in 2021 terms. You can still buy really, truly excellent toasters made for industrial/commercial use, or for the homes of the very rich, and they're quite a lot better than the trash people keep in their houses. And…

>You can have the good toaster, the good mixer, etc, but it sure looks like people don't actually want that. The pattern of product offerings in your average store suggests people want something affordable, and it doesn't particularly matter whether it is good at its job.

I've always wondered if we could fix this through legislation that forces manufacturers of consumer goods to provide an estimate of product lifetime according to some agreed standard - the same way that manufacturers of large appliances have to provide information about energy and water use.

As it stands, it's really hard for the consumer to know whether or not the $1000 coffee machine is actually better quality than the $500 one, or whether they're just milking a fancy brand name and relying on FUD.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Toaster oven FTW, it's probably our most used appliance. Get one with the convection setting and it'll beat any air fryer too [1]. [1] Wirecutter review: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-air-fryer/

See that I understand, very versatile choice. Would you day it works better than a fullsize convection oven, or about the same?

I didn't even know there were full size convection ovens! We've got the toaster oven and a gas oven, I would say they work about the same, it's just so much more efficient to use the electric toaster oven (assuming what you're trying to cook fits in there).

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I can contribute another simple example of a kitchen appliance that didn't necessarily get smarter: the cooking plate! Remember the good old cookers with rotary switches? Those actually had up to seven different stages of heating (see schematic here http://www.herd.josefscholz.de/7Takt/img16.gif )! While the new digital ones are... digital - i.e. they switch the plate on and off repeatedly to produce different amount…

At least from my experience my induction stove does not seem to have this problem, which kinda makes sense if you think about it: It already has to switch on/off many times per second to induce current, so it can just skip some cycles. I suppose as induction slowly wins over resistive heating this will become a non issue once again.

I really loved my induction range and miss it, having moved back to gas. It could bring an 8 quart pot of water to a rolling boil in two minutes flat.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Serious question - do most folks still own toasters today? They just seem so... specifically single function and take up counterspace. In my house, we have a sandwich press which we use for 4 or less pieces of toast at a time. And of course it doubles as a press for paninis or cubanos, too. And you never have to worry about unevenness, as it's just two hot plates basically. If cooking a lot of toast for a get togethe…

I am struggling to think of anyone I know who does not own a toaster.

The no name toaster I own falls into the good-enough category where I have never considered that an alternative technology could offer X% improvement that it would make transitioning worthwhile. Toaster oven could potentially provide more utility (pizzas, garlic bread, etc) at a higher initial investment, more counter space, and potentially less good at toasting bagels.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

#188
What I like most about devices like this is how robust the world is has a whole lot to do with how robust the device is.

My Grandparents had a custom camp trailer made in '74. I have it now. Grannie lived the longest and knew I loved it. BTW, she went white water kayaking the year before she died. Lived well, no regrets. I got so much from her, but I digress...

That trailer ran on propane gas. Still does, except for lighting. Originally, it had all gas lights too, but those are just a bit dangerous and I helped them replace those as a teen years ago. The rest runs on gas. Fridge, Stove, Range, Heater.

Just this year, the heater decided it needed a new thermocouple. I'll get one, clean it up a little, and it will run just fine the same way it has for all those years. The fridge works on a simple chemical solution that boils up through restricted openings, and as the material trickles down, it works to carry heat out of the fridge. That fridge does have an AC option. We've only used it once, and it was to see whether it worked, and how well. Basically, it works and isn't any better than the little gas flame needed to make the fridge work. It will run a couple weeks on a few gallons of propane, has a freezer, and works well up to a little under 110 degrees F. (Yeah, rough year)'

Over the years, I've picked up a few of these kinds of devices and I love them. Mixer, toaster, various old clocks, washer, dryer, weather instruments...

And I've had some professional experience. Older industrial machines that rely on springs, relays, R/C circuits, bimetal elements, just work.

The engineering on these is kind of a lost art in some ways. In others, we have such great material science these days! The same kind of approach might actually have serious merit.

Repair can be a challenge, until one has worked on a few. The basic ideas are broadly applicable. Once those are in mind, and a person has some mastery, these devices are like an open book!

Count me a fan. I like simple things that just do that which they are designed for.

One downside can be overall efficiency. While that counts, I can see people just choosing to live a little smaller, leaner and that can largely balance out, or at the least not be terrible. That's basically what we do.

Re: Smart home

There are very compelling possibilities. But, I am just not up for the maintenance and or the work to really hit the upper level of what can be done, not to mention it's either expensive, or takes considerable time, understanding and skill to roll one's own.

In my 30's I was wanting a lot of those things. However, as time has passed and I see the classics just work, and work, and work, and I don't see people struggling with them, odd states, modes, extras that get in the way, or one uses so seldom it's always a bigger time investment than the value derived.

Less is more in my home and life.

Professionally, that's not going to fly most of the time. And the use cases are different, returns different too.

But, there is a whole lot to be said for robust gear for living. It's simple, life can be simple, with few surprises, all of which frees time and energy for doing other things.

One last thing, and that's the idea of buying once and using for a long time, even handing the thing off to someone else to use. I like this and have employed it in my life. Saved a ton. Sure, these kinds of things are expensive, but one can chip away at things and before we know it, are pretty well equipped and it's gonna last. Worth it.

Where one is inclined to fix things up, or buy used, seeking these kinds of devices, there are deals. Many people get caught up in things like "digital toasters", and that's fine. I'm happy to pick up the good stuff while it's an option.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if we had testers who take a bunch of products with them into a space apartments moving at relativistic speeds, and when ready to retire they can tell us how their products fared during their lifetime... Corporate monasticism, sacrificing one working life a month or so to create an index that helps punish corporations for poor durability...

Doesn't relativity work the other way around? Wouldn't less time pass for them if you did that?

You're right yeah. So I guess we just periodically put the rest of humanity into a relativistic-pace space-station.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might appreciate the BuyItForLife subreddit. The ad hoc nature can make it hard to find stuff, but the posts are generally all direct testimonial by people who have had a given item for an extended period of time.

Imagine if we had testers who take a bunch of products with them into a space apartments moving at relativistic speeds, and when ready to retire they can tell us how their products fared during their lifetime... Corporate monasticism, sacrificing one working life a month or so to create an index that helps punish corporations for poor durability...

there's a movie for that, but I think it would be a spoiler to name it
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