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Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by monopoledance »

globalise83 wrote: post #2

Good news. The momentum is becoming irresistible and irreversible.

This isn't about momentum for legalization. That was never lost on Germany. However, 21.3% of people allowed to vote are 70+ years old here. Make that 38.2% for 60+ years old. Germany wouldn't have suffered 16 years of conservative neglect and stagnation, if it wasn't for the "not really interested in politics at my age anymore" and the literally demented. Honestly, we only got a chance to a future, pay the infrastructure debt and undo the shameful stagnation in social progression, because the CDU managed to run with a total dimwit and a series of their typical corruption uncovered right before election. I am worried, we're fucked beyond repair to be honest, though.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by xcambar »

rightiousrob wrote: post #7
xcambar wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is "here"? The article mentions it is decriminalized in DE.

How hard is it to imagine that an hn user is not based in the us?

very easy since I’m not.

what did you understand or infer from my message?

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by monopoledance »

alecco wrote: post #24

This sounds like a distraction to cover actual issues right now.

This is a minor section of the coalition contract, and maybe the only point the parties agreed upon right from the beginning of talks. Kinda non-news, really.

You see this on HN, because people want their big cannabis stocks go up. Btw. I very much doubt those will end up owning the biz in Germany, as the modalities of legalization will differ from what's happening in North America.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

jimsimmons wrote: post #53
iostream23 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that I should remain in the legal shadows due to your inability to manage cannabis consumption?

In a way. Many people can text and drive but it’s advised against for everybody for a reason. it’s an extreme example but it illustrates a point that ultimately it’s a trade off between liberty and having guard rails. I’m just disappointed that we seem to be going from one extreme to the other without considering intermediate options.

Well, it’s clear that we are at loggerheads. I fundamentally disagree with and resent your position (you are trying to restrict my daily psychiatric medicines and the closest thing to a religious sacrament this old atheist can acknowledge) but I don’t think its appropriate to hijack this thread to debate this alleged issue. I won’t be visiting Reddit to hear about the alleged harm cannabis causes some people, and as I’ve stated, there’s never been a single overdose for cannabis in the history of the world. I wish you will find your peace without trying to step on my freedom as my use of cannabis does not harm me nor society nor you.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

robocat wrote: post #54
iostream23 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m unclear on what you are complaining about: other people enjoying other vices than your own or air pollution. While a particular odor to the stated air pollution can involve a personal preference, the odor is question arguably emits fewer carcinogenic substances and the rolling papers and filters involved certainly pollute less. Single-pull pipe smoking is rather common in some places, meaning the consumer makes o…

HN guidelines: “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”, and “Be kind. Don't be snarky.”. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I presumed the commenter is just extremely sensitive to the smell. The people I know like that don’t have a choice - it seems they are biologically like that. They could have me…

I’ve addressed all your concerns in other comments here. I do believe that you should follow your own proposals and see that I mean no snark and am 100 earnest and engaged here. Please do read my other comments here. I have a personal stake in this and as such the OP is definitively treading on the tips of my toes, and it hurts, please stop.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by daptaq »

pimeys wrote: post #22
daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

In Berlin tobacco and weed smoke is everywhere. I don't really see how legalizing weed would make it any worse. People already smoke it in bars and on the streets and Germany loves their cigarettes too...

Sure, in cities like Berlin I am not surprised to here that more people consume it. But outside of big cities, I rarely encounter it. The only reason I don't like this legalisation, is that with the drug being more easy to obtain, more people might smoke it, leading to more smoke in public (at train stations, in parks, ...). I hope I am wrong, but intuitively this seems plausible.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by daptaq »

oblak wrote: post #19
daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

ok, I'll bite. Why is it worse, I mean "insufferable"? The whole point is not to be hunted for the horrible crime of smoking a joint. Is it any worse than drinking coffee or something? I think not but you obviously have your reservations.

I find it hard to breathe in spaces where people had either smoked Marijuana. The smell of something like coffee is far less invasive, so it doesn't disturb me as much.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by james_burden »

jimsimmons wrote: post #58
iostream23 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cannabis “addicts” Which has dubious harm potential, considering that not a single human being has ever fatally overdosed on cannabis in the history of the world. I’m not justifying my choice of vice, merely pointing out that it’s safer than coffee

Harm potential is not dubious. Do browse r/leaves subreddit to see how many people struggle with it

Also the little (but becoming increasingly more) known cannabinoid induced hyperemesis.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by daptaq »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #44
daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

While smoking cigarettes isn't illegal, it is certainly not a good look any more - thanks to controls on how it can be advertised and where it is allowed and the concentrated advertising campaign linking smoking to cancer. I can see marijuana taking a similar trajectory.

This is basically my hope too. I don't want the advances that have been made in removing tobacco from public spaces to be undone by legalising marijuana. It is great that it won't be treated as a criminal act to use/possess/sell it, but I don't want this to make smoking (be it with a different substance) more acceptable.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by daptaq »

robocat wrote: post #54
iostream23 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m unclear on what you are complaining about: other people enjoying other vices than your own or air pollution. While a particular odor to the stated air pollution can involve a personal preference, the odor is question arguably emits fewer carcinogenic substances and the rolling papers and filters involved certainly pollute less. Single-pull pipe smoking is rather common in some places, meaning the consumer makes o…

HN guidelines: “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”, and “Be kind. Don't be snarky.”. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I presumed the commenter is just extremely sensitive to the smell. The people I know like that don’t have a choice - it seems they are biologically like that. They could have me…

> I presumed the commenter is just extremely sensitive to the smell. The people I know like that don’t have a choice - it seems they are biologically like that.

Yes, I should said this more explicitly.

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