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"NSO can be sued under California law because they accepted the EULA" seems like a mechanical, strict, pedantic application of law though.
Yes, American companies love to stack the deck against their users when it comes to selecting venue, but at the same time balk when the EU requires that they have an EU anchor to allow legal enforcement.
It is great to see this happen. It's also fascinating that the crux of the Apple's case against NSO hinges on NSO engineers that accepted iCloud's terms and conditions. From related NYT article: > The sample of Pegasus gave Apple a forensic understanding of how Pegasus worked. The company found that NSO’s engineers had created more than 100 fake Apple IDs to carry out their attacks. In the process of creating those a…
Is it great? The lawsuit is Apple trying to enforce the iCloud EULA to stop reverse engineering. While NSO Group created hacking tools, and then did some questionable things with them, do we really want those inane licenses no one reads, and everyone scrolls down to hit [agree]; do we really want them to legally binding? Put another way, if it was someone HN liked , would we still say this is actually good? Because c…
Unlike individuals, organizations are expected to be have the resources to handle the legalities and to not be pressured into a terrible deal by circumstances.
"Google embraces gathering your data, arguing you shouldn't just tolerate them using your data, you should want it - first, because giving your phone more information makes it more useful. And second, because all this data [...] makes this services cheaper and more accessible to, say, people in poverty. [...] Apple, meanwhile, rejects the whole concept. Tim Cook argues that’s a fake trade-off designed to justify a business model where you are the product, not the customer. Not only does your iPhone not need your data to be useful, it says, it doesn’t even want it. For Apple, storing your information is only a liability. Now, whether you buy that logic or not, you have to stop and admire its genius. Because, if Google says your data is what allows it to sell cheaper products, then Apple can argue it’s higher prices are a feature. You should feel good paying more for an iPhone, because it’s proof Apple doesn’t need to sell you out to advertisers. On the other hand, this argument is also harder to explain. While Tim is busy waxing poetic about privacy, Google just points to the price tag - everyone wants to save money. [...] Whenever there’s a big hack, Tim Cook will, predictably, do a few interviews about privacy, trying to convince you that Apple’s interests are most aligned with yours. "
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>> They are just using the EULA as the basis for claiming jurisdiction. IANAL but it's always seemed to me that if I reject the terms of a EULA then the EULA doesn't apply to me. Pushing the "button" does not mean anything because only the EULA gives it meaning and I reject that. 50 years from now if someone is doing software archaeology and they go to install some software from a long gone company, who does clicking…
US contract law jurisprudence doesn't really seem to support you here. > The mental assent of the parties is not requisite for the formation of a contract. If the words or other acts of one of the parties have but one reasonable meaning, his undisclosed intention is immaterial except when an unreasonable meaning which he attaches to his manifestations is known to the other party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_v.…
In a just world, Israel should suffer sanctions for sheltering what is basically a criminal enterprise.
*Apple VP of SW Engineering: "Apple devices are the most secure consumer hardware on the market"* ... except for how Apple sends a copy of all of your data that passes through their servers to the NSA. No, I'm not espousing a conspiracy theory, this has been brought to light by Edward Snowden's revelations. Now, we don't know how much of the data on Apple phones gets sent to Apple's servers, so it's not literally eve…
Friendly heads-up: if you try to say anything negative about Apple here on Hacker News, people will tend to downvote you out of cognitive dissonance alone. It doesn't matter if what you're saying is the truth, the people here just really like to roleplay as security experts and pretend like Apple is somehow different from the other PRISM-compliant corporations.
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, such as spurious generalizations about the community. The people who feel the opposite way about $BigCo make exactly the opposite spurious generalizations—the dominant variable affecting this is the passions of the perceiver. In other words, it is in the eye of the beholder.
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It's used throughout the comments and the topic generally. I don't call it out (for meaning a state with borders aligned with an ethnicity) because I get the point being made. As for sponsorship, states sponsor their industries by providing labor trained at public expense, promoting them abroad through trade agreements, access to trade representation etc. so there is the technical definition of sponsorship met. The r…
> Just sucks for everyone else Not necessarily. I assume you mean it fortifies despot regimes in the Middle East right? I no longer think at this time there is any sane alternative.
Do you think the path to end tyranny was so smooth in developed countries? Think back through Western revolutionary history and now immediately forget the name of every leader the moment you think of them - because that's what's happening, right now, in these countries at this exact stage of their political development. The technology now exists to make effective popular resistance impossible. Every possible rebellion strangled at birth. Every potential leader, every sympathetic journalist, religious or opposition figure, immediately identified, located and silenced.
And apparently that's worth a comfortable 6 figure salary to a lot of engineers and managers in comfortable, developed countries.
Do you really think you'd be in the position you're in if your ancestors never had the chance to remove their despotic king/emperor/dear leader? If you don't think it would be another North Korea, maybe it's because of some ahistorical belief that your culture is inherently more civilised. So you probably don't see the racism that's implicit in your statement.
From my experience in the Middle East, seeing people march for an end to corruption, for justice, for a chance for their kids, I realise I hardly know anyone back home as brave, as prepared to risk everything for their political and civil rights. They aren't marching for another ruler. They deserve a chance.
So fuck NSO and its deplorable staff.
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They support oppressive regimes with their products and services, thereby suppressing public revolts and preempting civil wars that doubtlessly would claim the lives of many. Very noble of them. /S
The U.S supports the same regimes. The U.S made huge weapons deals with UAE, Saudi Arabia and more. Selling actual fighting jets that destroy thousands of people, not some cyber app.
So whatabout someother asshole? Come back when you have an argument.
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Based on context, and the phrase “expensive”, I assume they mean they want prosecution/legal action against the individual engineers and management. Not threatening
Wouldn't it be better to target the one outfit (NSO), and not its workers? Then again, I suppose the workers would setup another underground business to do the same thing, with the same exploits, and the same people. What is the solution for this?
For governments, standard CT/AML financial intelligence: identify employees, shareholders/UBOs and add them and subsequent companies they start to the various watchlists/blacklists. For the public: open source intelligence, post info on forums, name and shame etc.