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The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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Touching on the part about the Alexa: it has become so ridiculously over-talkative lately even with “brief mode” enabled that I’m apprehensive to even ask it to do anything.

If you are part of the Amazon team: Just Because it Can Talk Does Not Mean it Needs To Talk. Especially related to shoving the “suggestions” down your throat. You ask to play a song, and the “by the way…” covers up the song! I empathize you’ve built a new feature and no one uses it but forcing them to learn via interruptions is not the way.

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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I’ve become annoyed with “smart home” because the reliability is so bad. About 20% of the time the light doesn’t turn on or off. I’ve used Alexa with Feit and Phillips Hue for about 4 years and Apple HomePod for about a year. At least once a day, I get an error message like “Oops, I had a problem with that.” Apple seems worse about this. It sometimes works by calling the other with the same command. It always works w…

I had reliability issues with Philips due to memory limits of their hub. It becomes slow and less reliable above about 50 devices. That sounds like a lot, but every light switch and motion sensor is also a device. So in a medium sized house you exceed that limit.

The hardware however is very good. Replacing the hub with zigbee2mqtt and a good USB Zigbee transmitter solves the issues.

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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I think any software engineer with some industry experience will absolutely NOT install a device in his home that receives automatic updates over the internet and is critical for performing some task or using some basic functionality of the house; especially one that has a well known, highly stable and ergonomic traditional mode of interaction - controlling the lights and water, opening the windows and shades etc.

We know from experience that a nebulous interface that can change without notice and provides no clear contract is a asking for trouble and will break your house "build", so to speak, or worse, it will bork at the worst possible moment, when you have "clients" over.

In the early years of home electricity, there was a much higher chance of getting electrocuted or burning to a crisp, outlets had no grounding, insulation and conductors were of a bad quality etc. Similarly, the whole field of home automation is in its infancy, in a few decades most major mistakes will be made and early adopters will work out the kinks out of the technology (and find out why it's a bad idea to have an internet connected microphone listening in your home at all times).

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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Has to be said I don't understand "smart devices" one bit. I simply don't understand how pulling out a phone and launching an app is preferable to an ordinary light switch. In fact I would say it's in every respect worse. And I don't want something that sits in the room listening to everything I say and uploading some unknown part of that to an unknown cloud service.

How about a "standard" light switch that is also controllable via Z-wave, which doesn't require Internet access or Wi-Fi or anything like that? Which is what most of the switches in my house are, and really what a proper smart home should be using.

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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This is entirely on the author. Sure these vendors make awful products and poorly maintain them - but nobody is forcing anyone to buy them or integrate them into their house. I have yet to hear, or especially see, these devices make anybody’s life easier than doing the task manually. I never think about light in my home, I flip the switch if I need it - lights seem like such a chore to my friends who have to issue co…

> I have yet to hear, or especially see, these devices make anybody’s life easier than doing the task manually.

Let's fix that, shall we? I have a Philips Hue system and also a physical switch[0] that I can move around. In my hallway and my kitchen (high traffic rooms) lights turn on via motion detection, making it absolutely unnecessary to ever turn touch a physical plug (with my wet hands after washing the dishes for example). I'm also not blinded by the lights when going to the toilet in the middle of the night. I sync them to my TV (and two LED strips on its sides) while watching a movie for a more immersive experience. And I also gradually dim the lights and shut them down in the evenings if tomorrow is a work day, giving me a visual cue that I should go to bed. And it works via local network, flaky Internet doesn't affect a thing. I've never plugged a mic/speaker to it and I still absolutely love it.

Don't get me wrong, I've been definitely burned by other types of IoT appliances, but smart lights are awesome. More expensive investment than non-smart ones for sure and whether that price is justified is up to you, but in my 3-4 years of using them I have yet to change a single bulb or a battery in a motion detector / switch.

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/hue-dimmer-switch--lates...

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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post #25
post #11

Has to be said I don't understand "smart devices" one bit. I simply don't understand how pulling out a phone and launching an app is preferable to an ordinary light switch. In fact I would say it's in every respect worse. And I don't want something that sits in the room listening to everything I say and uploading some unknown part of that to an unknown cloud service.

How about a "standard" light switch that is also controllable via Z-wave, which doesn't require Internet access or Wi-Fi or anything like that? Which is what most of the switches in my house are, and really what a proper smart home should be using.

The "Z-wave" function would never be used in my house so it would just be adding cost. Considerable cost at that - a plain white plastic light switch is £1.99, and the "Z-wave" ones I can see on Amazon are all around £20-£40!

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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Nobody wanted a smart home. It does not solve any significant need in anybody's life except maybe those with reduced mobility or other impairments. Anything a smart home does beyond a very few things are gimmicks that people quickly tire of. We have been conditioned to think we want a smart home through relentless advertising, bundling smart home items with other purchases, and other tricks. It is madness.

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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I did my whole house in Lutron’s smart switches (close to 50 of them), and I think it’s good? It’s been about 2 years now and I really haven’t had any issues. The switches aren’t Wi-Fi connected, because Wi-Fi would be an awful choice for 50 devices that you only communicate with a few times a day. They use their own wireless frequency and communicate in a really simple/reliable way to the bridge, which is wired to m…

I was about to say the same thing. I set up all my non-standard lighting fixtures with Lutron Caseta switches, and replaced all the standard bulbs with Philips Hue bulbs. They've both been working flawlessly, together, with my 3 HomePod Minis for about a year and a half now. It really is a brand thing. Most are bad. [edit] > My favorite aspect is that the pico switches can be programmed to switch whole rooms of light…

I just did a whole house with Philips Hue lights and the RunLessWire switches. Love the fact that the switches are piezo-powered. The downsides to them are the loud click they make and that you have to learn how to properly press them (with about a 200ms hold) in order to come close to 100% reliability.

Re: The unbearable fussiness of the smart home

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I once had a passing interest in smart lights and outlets. I thought the idea of controlling all of my lights with my smartphone was the neatest idea ever.

I then happened upon an article that reviewed a specific smart home hub, and their trouble with the associated smart devices. In one case, his smart devices kept disconnecting, necessitating him to have to get out the ladder and crawl along a narrow crawlspace in order to access said light bulb so a reset could be carried out.

Imagine having to do that a couple times a month... Multiplied by however many bulbs you have.

I'll take a dumb red and black wire, thanks.

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