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The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Can someone explain what Vice-President and Climbing wall mean in the context of higher education? If I had to guess, a Vice-President might be someone who monitors a room full of students or checks their tests, and a Climbing wall might be a hard assignment meant to get rid of less interested students. This might be a really dumb question. In that case, sorry.

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Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Can someone explain what Vice-President and Climbing wall mean in the context of higher education? If I had to guess, a Vice-President might be someone who monitors a room full of students or checks their tests, and a Climbing wall might be a hard assignment meant to get rid of less interested students. This might be a really dumb question. In that case, sorry.

I took both literally: a vice-president is a member of senior management who does KPIs and meetings and stuff but doesn't teach, and a climbing wall is an expensive sports facility that appeals to prospective students but has no academic merit. Both antithetical to the traditional priorities of a liberal arts institution, but both increasingly common in higher education. Could be wrong though.

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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"We rely on donations from readers and benefactors to pay our staff director and expenses like our Zoom subscriptions." So begging is your business model?

Most universities in the US continually harass their former (tuition-paying) students for donations, which make up a large proportion of the budget (especially for more elite private universities - the less elite are more reliant on tuition and public universities on the state in addition).

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Can someone explain what Vice-President and Climbing wall mean in the context of higher education? If I had to guess, a Vice-President might be someone who monitors a room full of students or checks their tests, and a Climbing wall might be a hard assignment meant to get rid of less interested students. This might be a really dumb question. In that case, sorry.

Vice president is a nondemocratic executive position which is overwhelmingly bureaucratic at best. Vice president positions can be granted for any number of unclear reasons, from granting prestige to a donor’s kin to reforming the business affairs of the institution. Vice presidents are unlikely to hold a commitment to quality education.

Climbing wall is the regular dog-eat-dog competitive nature of living and working in a capitalist society.

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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> it all sounds like delusional charity work to me.

To me, it sounds like a constructive alternative to Sunday morning sermons.

I'll never tithe in my life. Where does that money go instead? Well, where did it go originally? 90% of tithing these days goes to supporting a developed world middle-class lifestyle for folks who give one lecture a week and spend the rest of their time providing constitutionally protected unlicensed mental health services.

So, there is a business model here. Professors are paid so poorly that individual tutoring for the intellectually curious in the professional class could provide meaningful additional income. $60,000/(24 x 3 x 3) = $277/student/class for a typical 3+3 load. But I'd happily pay $500 to take a 3-4 person class with a good prof on a topic I enjoy. $500 x 4 = $2,000 per seminar. Which is quite a lot of money when you're only making $60,000 -- especially if you're already prepped to teach that seminar. And my guesstimates here are actually high for the humanities at some institutions!

I'd happily pay $500/mo to attend intellectually engaging seminars with a small group of like-minded folks, even online. And I view that as morally equivalent to tithing, since it's achieving roughly the same thing (sponsoring someone's life-of-mind).

So, there is a market for the idea outlines in thep ost.

(The Plato's Republic thing feels pretty off-topic; I also think it's over-rated fwiw, but if others want to read it more power to them.)

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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You have interpretations of the Republic. Other people have different ones. Discussing them is the point.

It is not a mere coincidence that discussing Marx’s Capital is never the point.

They are approximately equivalent in their influence on humanity, but only one of them offers a critique of the immediate situation.

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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"We rely on donations from readers and benefactors to pay our staff director and expenses like our Zoom subscriptions." So begging is your business model?

Well, two things:

1) It's not profit generating, this is a not-for-profit organisation, so 'business model' is a bit of a loaded term.

2) The practice of having clubs / social groups where members are encouraged to donate money to help with the running costs is pretty common, and is not typically considered begging.

I help run a local theatre group which we fund with a whip-around with our members to assist with the venue hire and a donations bucket at the door of our to shows. Is that begging? I don't think so (I look at it as people giving money to keep something they enjoy experiencing running, which is different to begging).

Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have interpretations of the Republic. Other people have different ones. Discussing them is the point.

It is not a mere coincidence that discussing Marx’s Capital is never the point. They are approximately equivalent in their influence on humanity, but only one of them offers a critique of the immediate situation.

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Re: The Catherine Project: A new experiment in liberal education

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have interpretations of the Republic. Other people have different ones. Discussing them is the point.

It is not a mere coincidence that discussing Marx’s Capital is never the point. They are approximately equivalent in their influence on humanity, but only one of them offers a critique of the immediate situation.

> It is not a mere coincidence that discussing Marx’s Capital is never the point.

> They are approximately equivalent in their influence on humanity, but only one of them offers a critique of the immediate situation.

And only one of them lead to the death of millions of people. There is a reason some things are discredited. People don't generally spend time debating the points of Mein Kamf either.

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