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Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by Latty »

dheera wrote: post #122
Latty wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An ideal VM should be indistinguishable from a real machine. Ideal for what purpose? virtio is a good example of where that breaks down. For a lot of use cases, directly exposing an explicitly virtual device rather than emulating real hardware can be much more efficient and avoid bugs. For example, it may help a virtualised system avoid some layers of caching or optimisation if they are redundant because they are n…

> Ideal for what purpose? To shove it at companies like Tencent who will ban you for trying to run WeChat in a virtual machine, and restore freedom to the user to run software how they want. WeChat also randomly scans for Wi-Fi networks, I'm guessing they sniff VMs with tricks like that. It should also be a violation of disability law to force users to use a hardware mobile phone to run a particular piece of software…

Sure, my point wasn't that there is no use case, just that there are use cases where it isn't necessary and—more than that—is counterproductive

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by zepto »

monocasa wrote: post #139
zepto wrote: post #120

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> Complete with referring to police as "security forces", The western press goes in to far more detail about how oppressive, brutal and unaccountable American police are than any other country. There is pretty much an unending stream of criticism of the police. > including wild speculations about the backstabbing behind-the-scenes of their top politics, etc. If you have never seen such speculation about American poli…

Eh, it's not quite the same. There was some foreign paper that described the George Floyd protests as 'tensions continue to rise over the death of an ethnic minority in a agrarian province at the hands of state security forces' that made me chortle when I read it.

It’s not quite the same - it’s far more critical.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by monocasa »

zepto wrote: post #152
monocasa wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, it's not quite the same. There was some foreign paper that described the George Floyd protests as 'tensions continue to rise over the death of an ethnic minority in a agrarian province at the hands of state security forces' that made me chortle when I read it.

It’s not quite the same - it’s far more critical.

I disagree.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by zepto »

monocasa wrote: post #153
zepto wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not quite the same - it’s far more critical.

I disagree.

‘tensions continue to rise over the death of an ethnic minority in a agrarian province at the hands of state security forces’

Is absolutely nothing compared to the mountains of analysis of how racist and brutal the US police are, likening them to slave patrols, citing statistics about how often unarmed black people are killed, criticizing the Supreme Court for qualified immunity, explaining the overpolicing of trivial crimes in poor neighborhood and underpolicing of serious crimes that harm this same neighborhoods, the school to prison pipeline etc. etc.

You’d be forgiven for thinking we live in an open society with a free press where people are unafraid to criticize the government and police.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by monocasa »

zepto wrote: post #154
monocasa wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree.

‘tensions continue to rise over the death of an ethnic minority in a agrarian province at the hands of state security forces’ Is absolutely nothing compared to the mountains of analysis of how racist and brutal the US police are, likening them to slave patrols, citing statistics about how often unarmed black people are killed, criticizing the Supreme Court for qualified immunity, explaining the overpolicing of trivia…

It's a cute, but direct attack on the Imperialism that underpins the issues, including the function of police domestically.

And the police here are racist, brutal, and mostly above legal consequences. The media here generally stops short of examining the power structures that makes that the case. It's more oh dearism than actionable information.

And have you seen China's media? The allow and even encourage complaints about local government, including in mass media. What you've stated about "an open society with a free press" not some high bar of freedom, but generally used as a pressure release valve for malcontent that does nothing to address why it's like that in the first place. They, like the US, love a good story that let's them "fight corruption" in a way that doesn't change why the corruption was allowed to fester in the first place.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by rwmj »

anthk wrote: post #127
rwmj wrote: post #23

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Hi, virt engineer here. Partly because it a very hard problem (in fact, theoretically impossible if you include timing attacks), but mainly because you don't need to emulate the hardware very accurately in order to get common operating systems to run. Getting them to run is all that we're paid to do, and that's a difficult enough job already. One strange aspect of this is that only a narrow range of current OSes run…

That's bullshit because Qemu it's an emulator too, so it will run Solaris and W95 perfectly. I am not a virt engineer but I could run W95, OS2 and heck, even Mac OS 9 under Qemu, recently. Seriously, if you are a virt engineer, drop your title down :). Qemu has an ISA pc module, and you need to disable kvm just to be sure. Set the CPU to Pentium and everything will be fine.

You might want to experiment yourself before making bold assertions, because you are wrong. I've just tried these (with qemu-system-x86-6.0.0-7.fc35.x86_64):

• Microsoft_Windows_NT_Server_Version_4.0_227-075-385_CD-KEY_419-1343253_1996.iso (1996, own copy)

Installer starts, locks up with screen corruption about 5 seconds in.

• https://archive.org/details/windows-95_fixcpu_iso_windows_is... (1994-ish)

Cannot read the emulated CD-ROM.

• https://archive.org/details/redhat-9.0_release (2003)

Installer boots, but fails at partitioning stage, the first time it accesses the disk.

• https://archive.org/details/IBMOS2Warp4Collection (1996)

Cannot read the emulated CD-ROM.

• Plan 9, 4th ed. (2003, own copy)

Gets quite far, up to the login, although with a lot of errors, but later hangs hard. (Out of all of them this looks closest to being possible to make work.)

I can also tell you that we're moving away from emulating i440fx entirely (to q35), and nothing prior to 2005 will work once that change has been made. In addition, changes to how virtio works means that guests before about 2010 that use virtio will have problems unless you take special steps.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by zepto »

monocasa wrote: post #155
zepto wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘tensions continue to rise over the death of an ethnic minority in a agrarian province at the hands of state security forces’ Is absolutely nothing compared to the mountains of analysis of how racist and brutal the US police are, likening them to slave patrols, citing statistics about how often unarmed black people are killed, criticizing the Supreme Court for qualified immunity, explaining the overpolicing of trivia…

It's a cute, but direct attack on the Imperialism that underpins the issues, including the function of police domestically. And the police here are racist, brutal, and mostly above legal consequences. The media here generally stops short of examining the power structures that makes that the case. It's more oh dearism than actionable information. And have you seen China's media? The allow and even encourage complaints…

> They allow and even encourage complaints about local government.

But not the communist party or it’s officials, eh?

You can’t seriously be claiming that China is a more open society which allows greater media analysis of it’s power structures.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by monocasa »

zepto wrote: post #157
monocasa wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a cute, but direct attack on the Imperialism that underpins the issues, including the function of police domestically. And the police here are racist, brutal, and mostly above legal consequences. The media here generally stops short of examining the power structures that makes that the case. It's more oh dearism than actionable information. And have you seen China's media? The allow and even encourage complaints…

> They allow and even encourage complaints about local government . But not the communist party or it’s officials, eh? You can’t seriously be claiming that China is a more open society which allows greater media analysis of it’s power structures.

I claimed nothing of the sort; I'm not sure how you jumped to that.

I'm simply pointing out that the ability for media to complain about the local actions of security forces, .gov policy decisions, and the occasional high ranking official who serves as a focal point for malcontent does not make for a free and open society, using an example that we can both agree is neither free nor open.

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by beebeepka »

handrous wrote: post #115
wikidani wrote: post #82

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There was a linux distro I checked out a few years ago that routed every connection through tor and also asked for permission for every app connecting to the internet and I was similarly astounded by the fact that pretty much everything is sending some sort of data and people knew nothing about

Yeah, even Linux is crazy-chatty these days. I miss sniffing packets on a home or small office network and being able to follow what was going on without any filters. Now even on a smallish network, all your "idle" devices are spitting out packets constantly, so with "nothing going on" WireShark scrolls so fast with 20+ different interwoven conversations that it's impossible to follow. And god forbid you have any bro…

Which distro are you talking about?

Re: Fun with Red Star OS

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Post by another_story »

kenned3 wrote: post #113
typon wrote: post #92

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I knew a South Korean prof who chose to live in North Korea (as a philanthropic act) and teach at their top university (His research was in Embedded Electronics). Conversations with him completely changed my mind on North Korea, because prior to that my only context was through American/Canadian mainstream media (read: propaganda). I still think its a dictatorial regime that needs to be abolished and the North Korean…

This. If anyone thinks North America isn't actively involved in propaganda as well, they are delusional. The amount of "anti-china" comments i come across on the internet is shocking, and I can tell the posters have never left the US, let alone been to the country of their targeted "hate". Where do these strong views come from if they haven't been there, and probably have minimal contact with people who have?

One should separate anti-China with anti-CCP. The majority of comments are not the former, but the latter, and for good reason, as the CCP itself works in opposition to the Chinese people much of the time.
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