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Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Under what law?

Lobbying and political pressure with the result of this case being used as tool ?

More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? And NSO's clients too? Not likely.

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Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

Under what law?

> Under what law?

NSO used Apple's services, thereby agreeing to U.S. jurisdiction. (It also deals in dollars and has customers in America.) If it ignores U.S. courts, it would be held in contempt at the very least. That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second.

Given how much bad blood NSO has generated for itself in D.C., it would be more surprising if this didn't get escalated to a diplomatic level.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lobbying and political pressure with the result of this case being used as tool ?

More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? And NSO's clients too? Not likely.

> More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US?

NSO is already on the Entity List, a part of the U.S. sanctions regime. This has been amply discussed, but TL; DR they lost their friends in Washington.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under what law?

> Under what law? NSO used Apple's services, thereby agreeing to U.S. jurisdiction. (It also deals in dollars and has customers in America.) If it ignores U.S. courts, it would be held in contempt at the very least. That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second. Given how much bad blood NSO has genera…

There's no way it hasn't been escalated to a diplomatic level already, that's probably the biggest impediment to the suit doing anything. Both NSO's host country and client base get an incredible amount of protection from the state department.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? And NSO's clients too? Not likely.

> More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? NSO is already on the Entity List, a part of the U.S. sanctions regime. This has been amply discussed, but TL; DR they lost their friends in Washington.

Did it affect them?

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Isn't NSO Group an Israeli firm with close ties to government? I strongly doubt anything will come of this.

Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list? They could argue it was an attack on national security if they can show some important person from US would have been hacked by a foreign government. Then if EU could put the same guys also on the list maybe there would be some effects.

> Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list?

They can hold them in contempt, which leads to arrest warrants. Default judgements can then enable the creditor, in this case Apple, to start seizing assets. But TL; DR no, a judge can't put someone on a terrorist list; that's a national security and thus executive function.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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> More lobbying and political pressure than the Israeli government already exudes over the US? NSO is already on the Entity List, a part of the U.S. sanctions regime. This has been amply discussed, but TL; DR they lost their friends in Washington.

Did it affect them?

> Did it affect them?

Anecdotally, yes. They lost their U.S. customer base. And bank and securities firms are closing their and their employees' accounts.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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> Under what law? NSO used Apple's services, thereby agreeing to U.S. jurisdiction. (It also deals in dollars and has customers in America.) If it ignores U.S. courts, it would be held in contempt at the very least. That enables the Feds to start freezing and confiscating assets, possibly even issuing arrest warrants. That happens domestically first and through treaties second. Given how much bad blood NSO has genera…

There's no way it hasn't been escalated to a diplomatic level already, that's probably the biggest impediment to the suit doing anything. Both NSO's host country and client base get an incredible amount of protection from the state department.

This doesn't take into account recent events, e.g. the U.S. sanctioning NSO after their dealings in India and with American police departments was confirmed.

In any case, this is a civil suit in federal courts. Even if State wanted to intervene, it would have to do so through informal channels.

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