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Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by lm28469 »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #57
Stratoscope wrote: post #35

Pop quiz! Do you ever buy frozen vacuum-sealed fish? The kind where each piece is sealed in its own plastic pouch? It is convenient and delicious. To me it can taste fresher than some "fresh" fish. One reason is that the sealed pouch keeps oxygen out. Have you wondered why it says "remove all packaging before defrosting"? And ignored that advice like I did for many years? After all, the fish seems to defrost just fin…

I defrost my fish in the package by putting it in hot tap water. You, sire, drastically reduced my chance of dying. Thank you very much.

> drastically

If it was that dangerous you'd have heard of dozens of deaths and it would have been banned a while ago. People don't read instructions

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by the_af »

traceroute66 wrote: post #151
the_af wrote: post #147

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> Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more. Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.

> Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical. FFS ! Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ? No. Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying. I simply said I do not eat…

> Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi.

Well, yes, some of us have visited Japan and tried their cuisine, both in their own country and in Japanese restaurants in other countries.

There are also authentic Japanese sushi bars outside Japan, run by Japanese chefs, and making superb sushi.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by loeg »

giantg2 wrote: post #180
loeg wrote: post #179

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CDC says 85C internal temperature for 5 minutes, but better to just throw it out - botulism isn’t the only thing that will grow in food that hasn’t been prepared or stored safely. https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/Botulism/clinicians/control....

Well sure, if you have reason to believe it spoiled (you can't tell by looking at it). I'm just saying, botulism isn't as much of a threat as some people make it out to be. If the article was to mention that it is easily destroyed by cooking, then readers could take the extra step of cooking it before eating to put their minds at ease.

If you don’t have reason to believe it’s spoiled, there’s no reason to follow the botulism toxin procedure. As the article mentions, botulism in canned foods is practically non-existent with modern safety procedures.

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by astura »

swiftcoder wrote: post #83
AussieWog93 wrote: post #73

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Any people from developing countries reading this thread? What are your thoughts when you hear Westerners talking about the danger of leaving a meat out of the fridge for a couple of hours and stuff like that?

As long as it’s not vacuum sealed, you can leave it on the counter all day. Even in the west we defrost meat this way :)

No "we" don't.

That is expressly against USDA guidelines that say meat left in the danger zone[1] for more than 2 hours should not be consumed.

I don't eat meat, but my husband does, and he defrosts his meat in the fridge.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_zone_(food_safety)

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by giantg2 »

loeg wrote: post #193
giantg2 wrote: post #180

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Well sure, if you have reason to believe it spoiled (you can't tell by looking at it). I'm just saying, botulism isn't as much of a threat as some people make it out to be. If the article was to mention that it is easily destroyed by cooking, then readers could take the extra step of cooking it before eating to put their minds at ease.

If you don’t have reason to believe it’s spoiled, there’s no reason to follow the botulism toxin procedure. As the article mentions, botulism in canned foods is practically non-existent with modern safety procedures.

I'll reiterate, defense in depth. This is alo geared towards home canning.

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by forty »

go_elmo wrote: post #120
forty wrote: post #59

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Is it? It feels like it exploit the hard work of those poor bacterias ;)

only eukaryotic species are defined as "animal" afaik, so this is another league. Not getting pregnant every month is also not considered abortion in regions where this is banned, right?

In French, the translation for vegan sounds something like "vegetalist". I agree bacteria are not animals, but they are not vegetal either. But I guess this would exclude muchrooms too :D

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by sdfghderwg »

ceejayoz wrote: post #185
sdfghderwg wrote: post #127

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I always found it intriguing that some people can have the discipline to make big changes to their day to day routine based on some learned trivia, but don't have the discipline to actually learn the subject.

That's pretty uncharitable. Celery juice is used specifically because it's confusing and misleading - you shouldn't have to have a scientific degree to decode a nutrition label, but here we are.

You missed the point.

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by sdfghderwg »

dkarl wrote: post #189
sdfghderwg wrote: post #127

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I always found it intriguing that some people can have the discipline to make big changes to their day to day routine based on some learned trivia, but don't have the discipline to actually learn the subject.

Ah, the old, "I've sworn off carbs. I might give up sugar too at some point, but one thing at a time," said while eating falafel. "Beans can't have protein. That doesn't make any sense. Protein is what meat has." I have spoken to two different people with no connection between them who thought that beans had no carbs and no protein, they were "different," because carbs were grain things and protein was meat. I wouldn…

You got the point.

Re: The World's Deadliest Thing

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Post by phonypc »

athenot wrote: post #165
MertsA wrote: post #82

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If you read closely the ingredients don't list celery, they list "celery seed extract". They're extracting the nitrates, it's just a ploy to avoid having to list nitrates in the ingredients but still use it. Next to the statement saying "No added nitrates!" there will be a tiny asterisk adding "except those naturally present (and extracted and concentrated) in celery seeds."

Similar trick with "no sugar added" in juices, but you can take grape or apple juice, evaporate a lot of the water till it forms a syrup, then add that syrup to juices and still be able to sell the result as "100% pure fruit juice, no sugar added".

No, adding concentrated juice definitely violates "no added sugar" labelling standards, at least as far as the FDA and Health Canada are concerned for sure. I assume in Europe as well.

Some juices are just naturally very high in sugar.

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