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Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by bryans »

Kiro wrote: post #226
bryans wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to hear exactly why you think it's "awesome" and "a good thing" to force users to scroll an entire window height in order to read part of one sentence. The reality is that they could have produced this same concept in a way that doesn't force such extreme interaction to consume very minimal content, resulting in the same "awesomeness" without wasting the user's time or energy.

Sounds like you just can't accept the fact that people like it.

I could say the same thing about your commentary -- sounds like you just can't accept the fact that people don't like it -- which ought to tell you just how obnoxious you're acting right now.

Unless you have something new to add to the conversation, it's beyond trollish to repeatedly assert that I shouldn't be allowed to speak my mind (or even respond to people who replied to me) just because I don't agree with you.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by Kiro »

bryans wrote: post #241
Kiro wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you just can't accept the fact that people like it.

I could say the same thing about your commentary -- sounds like you just can't accept the fact that people don't like it -- which ought to tell you just how obnoxious you're acting right now. Unless you have something new to add to the conversation, it's beyond trollish to repeatedly assert that I shouldn't be allowed to speak my mind (or even respond to people who replied to me) just because I don't agree with you.

I've said nothing of the sort. I do however have a problem with you aggressively arguing that there's an objective truth [1] and patronizing every explanation you get for why people like it [2]. No-one has said you can't have an opinion. Good try though.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29315836

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29316485

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by bryans »

gherkinnn wrote: post #228
bryans wrote: post #193

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I never said it was a novel concept or that the functionality is confusing. I just said that it's terrible, which it absolutely is, and your video comparison actually reinforces my point. They could have made this presentation into a 30 second video, which would have extremely simplified the access to information, while also only requiring one click, and still providing the ability to pause the flow of information wh…

I prefer this presentation over a PDF or a video. It works and I like it. You don't, then move on. Counting "scrolls" (whatever that means) can't be a healthy way to engage with something you don't enjoy.

> I prefer this presentation over a PDF or a video. It works and I like it. You don't, then move on.

I could say the same thing to you -- if you like it, then move on. Nobody is forcing you to read my comments, and it is antithetical to the concept of a public forum to assert that I shouldn't be allowed to comment just because you don't agree with me.

> Counting "scrolls" (whatever that means) can't be a healthy way to engage with something you don't enjoy.

As a web developer, half of my job is analyzing metrics which describe how effective and usable a website is. This particular thread is a discussion about site usability, and I'm using decades of experience and actual site data to show how bad the usability is, which very relevantly includes counting how many times they are forcing someone to scroll to read a single paragraph of text.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by pjmlp »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #91

So the web dev madness has come full circle - the react people just built rails in react. In the mean time I just keep using rails...

During the last 20 years I kept using Java and .NET, with occasional dives into C++ when needed, while watching all those caravans pass through my porch ridding into the mountains, it appears there is some gold over there.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by pjmlp »

Vinnl wrote: post #199
jacobsenscott wrote: post #91

So the web dev madness has come full circle - the react people just built rails in react. In the mean time I just keep using rails...

I find this "everything old is new again" such a tiring take. Sure, you can do things you could already do in Rails, but without giving up on the things people adopted React for . Like client-side updates without full page refreshes. If you fool yourself into thinking that a few similarities to what you're used to means that there's nothing new to learn, you're missing out. (To be clear, I'm not saying that everythin…

Ah you mean DHTML, right.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by pjmlp »

nbzso wrote: post #80
cubano wrote: post #60

So as a 56yo "old school" LAMP-stack monkey, could someone please give me a quick rundown exactly what benefits would investing the mental energy (a non-trivial amount) and time (less an issue) give to someone in my ancient yet comfortable canvas Cons? For sure next.js is an interesting framework and of course I use plenty of typescript in my projects to keep the UXs from feeling stale, but I have yet to see the over…

As a 47yo UI Designer and UX/User Centered Design Pioneer (CEO, PM, Business Owner, etc.), I have one rule of thumb towards "Cool JS/CSS/New tech": I wait for the tech to become "Unavoidable" in Implementation practices. Aside of "mental load", every new paradigm shift is measured in education/expenses/support time. So waiting for "market validation" is the only valuable option for me. This approach has saved a tons…

About the same age, I just apply it to every "New tech" not only web, other than that, 100% on point.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by dimitrisnl »

baxuz wrote: post #36

How can this be integrated with react-query and react-location? Seems that it's tightly coupled to their variants (SWR and react-router). React Query is IMO a must-have on any project that already warrants using React (and that isn't an offline-only app of course).

Off-topic, but I disagree about React-query being a must-have. Putting the fetching responsibility into the components makes a lot of sense in a some projects, but not always. There have been many times where I wish I just went with RxJS to orchestrate the data flow instead.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by dimitrisnl »

magicink81 wrote: post #87
timdorr wrote: post #26

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I like to think of like this: I use Next.js for my marketing site. I use Remix for my web app. Next is good if you just need to get some HTML on the page. Remix is good if you need a connect to a database or backend API.

I'm curious what do you think is missing from Next.js that would make it better at connecting to databases and backend APIs? There is a bit of evidence that people are building heavily used web apps with Next.js that connect to databases, backend APIs, and expose APIs of their own, for example: https://nextjs.org/showcase

1. Vendor-lock 2. Iffy folder structure. Some stuff both front-end & back-end will live under /pages. 3. Suboptimal experience when you have to use middleware. Disclaimer, haven't tried the latest updates, but I assume it's vercel only.

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by jkcxn »

rolisz wrote: post #168
jkcxn wrote: post #82

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It’s definitely possible. I have a project that does the same thing with Python and React but you could switch out the backend to anything that outputs html. The cool thing is your front end is just super modular components and your backend does all the heavy lifting, can talk directly to your DB and you don’t have to write a single API. Was thinking of putting something open source together, let me know if that migh…

Yes, it would be if interest to me. I've been looking for something similar lately. One thing that I found is https://github.com/ChrisKnott/Eel but it's more geared towards making desktop apps

Can I contact you? My email address is in my profile

Re: Remix – A framework focused on web fundamentals and modern UX

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Post by archeroed »

timdorr wrote: post #26
kall wrote: post #22

If this is just Next.js with nested routes, it‘s already worth it. Seems like they have a bit more going on with progressive enhancement and interaction support, but nested routes are the headline for me.

I like to think of like this: I use Next.js for my marketing site. I use Remix for my web app. Next is good if you just need to get some HTML on the page. Remix is good if you need a connect to a database or backend API.

Remix have just been released and you're already jumping to conclusions ? What's missing from NextJS to connect your own backend framework like django rails express or whatever ? Or even using their api routes + something like Prisma and a SQl/NoSQL database ? Basically nothing.
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