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History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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Re: History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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Surely it's going to be part of history. Besides there are being RTI and other laws, it was much needed. This bill will be independent and answerable to people not government. Hope it helps for good.

Actually they are not answerable to anyone.

Re: History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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(note: I don't mean to be rude, but this comment has barely been up for 1 minute and I'm already being down-voted. Surely no one can read something this long this fast and down-vote even faster. I've tried to write a reasoned critique of the phenomena before me. It's not a political comment, but a logical one.)

Any constitution is a fine balance of power, a body like this which concentrates power outside of the constitution without carefully thought out checks and balances can be used to deliver the coup de grace to democracy. After all who guards the guards?

This will be extremely unpopular over here, but the citizens of any nation are responsible for corruption. Their leaders aren't alien beings who have descended from planet Z to rule upon their country. They were and are chosen from amongst them, and in a representative democracy it is they who choose them. You might argue that the vote itself is an ineffective tool, and you will be right, but it does offer us the opportunity to ruthlessly edit people from power. At the end it is the culture of a country that shapes a leader to a great deal. They are simply mirrors of society, but we seem to run away from that fact.

The same goes for bureaucrats and any other malaise that plagues society. They are from amongst us, and although the blame may be greater on some shoulders, it is borne by all of us.

The inherent assumption is that the people in this organization will be somehow pure, sans biases, and without malice. It makes me doubt this because human nature being human nature, sooner or later someone creative is going to come along and will convince people to side with him/her and play this unbalanced system to achieve control. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Of course, I might be wrong and this bill might be a carefully calculated with the calculus of power to be perfectly neutral, but I somehow doubt that given the sheer PR and the herd mentality that seems to surround this. For example the man portrayed as a Gandhian whipped drunks in his home town in the name of "social progress", how is that behavior Gandhian? (I'm not questioning if the behavior is right or wrong, I'm simply asking how can someone who whips people be called the modern Gandhi?)

I think that something rather interesting is going on over here, and that the true nature of this bill and the organization it will create will be apparent as time passes on.

I honestly hope that it's genuine, and it won't lead to a calculated attempt to gain power, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Re: History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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post #5

Please note that, the bill is not passed yet. It will go to committee and will be discussed in the parliament again.

Since Standing Committee is not autonomous and since there's a strong political opportunism in giving support to this ombudsman bill, it'll most likely be passed without much difficulty.

Re: History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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Hardly any history. Matter of time this becomes another useless institution.

Well it's not a constitutional body. So as long as it remains independent (most likely) it'll be lethal against corruption.

So as long as it remains totally independent (most likely) it'll be lethal against corruption.

But what if someone tries to corrupt them? What makes them immune from corruption?

Re: History made in India: Govt agrees to anti-corruption bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not a constitutional body. So as long as it remains independent (most likely) it'll be lethal against corruption.

So as long as it remains totally independent (most likely) it'll be lethal against corruption. But what if someone tries to corrupt them? What makes them immune from corruption?

So you advocate genetically modified human beings to be created without the corruption gene to run an anti-corruption institution?

Get off the high horses. It's all run by the people after all - you just hope to create a good balance of power and try to put better, educated people in places of power. There is no magic wand to suddenly rid of all malaise for you while you sit still and criticize. That's what the bill is trying to do.

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